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ali27":7u4633v4 said:
Absolutely brilliant!
ali27":7u4633v4 said:
Job and Knock":g9ctaonq said:Somebody is already making them - every bricky and plasterer I know of already has one. At least based on the right angle corners they do :roll:ali27":g9ctaonq said:I want to make a copy of this product :lol:
Speak for yourself - I'm one of the hairy-tongued sons of toil (it's a Sunday aftrernoon, think about it). To me it's all a bit of a non-argument because I look at L-N or Veritas planes, think how much they cost and how little (if anything) they'll add to my bottom line (i.e. nil or almost!) and then mostly turn away and buy a cheaper plane which may need to be fettled or modified. And here we have a "maker to the gentry" who apparently hasn't taken the basic steps to trademark protect his name and products or copyright his designs who is then complaining about other, presumably in his opinion less scrupulous manufacturers, stealing "his" designs. Sorry mate, but you are in business and that's the way it workslurker":g9ctaonq said:Many of us here are what 150 years ago would be termed gentlemen woodworkers and there have always been the likes of LV and LN to cater for such people
That's not to say I wouldn't like them. I do own ONE L-N plane (#62) and ONE Veritas block plane (I know quite a few trade guys who've bought one or two fancy bits of plane bling as well). They are good, but not really that much better than, say, a Quangsheng or Wood River with a bit of fettling, or even an old Stanley/Record with a decent modern bladelurker":z1k1w4ux said:As a real woodworker LV & LN are not going to get your custom so they "target " gentlemen woodworkers.
Jacob":2vz8emuv said:Originality isn't all it's cracked up to be.
In the wonderful world of traditional crafts everything is copied: woodwork, food, music, fabrics, pottery, you name it.bugbear":3a7bgara said:Jacob":3a7bgara said:Originality isn't all it's cracked up to be.
And yet it's the only thing worth copying. .....
The archetypal gadget, the workmate is one of the most useless ever designed! It's such a good idea - everybody buys one (including me) but it's only after years of struggle that you realise they are cr$p. They don't even pack away conveniently. As soon as I made up a pair of saw horses the work mate became redundant, except as an occasional clumsy table for supporting large workpieces.Ron Hickman had some useful opinions on the subject.
Jacob":2g0izl45 said:In the wonderful world of traditional crafts everything is copied: woodwork, food, music, fabrics, pottery, you name it.bugbear":2g0izl45 said:Jacob":2g0izl45 said:Originality isn't all it's cracked up to be.
And yet it's the only thing worth copying. .....
You've been in the archive again! Well done! Let me know when you have completed the index.bugbear":3d8q5ig1 said:Jacob":3d8q5ig1 said:In the wonderful world of traditional crafts everything is copied: woodwork, food, music, fabrics, pottery, you name it.bugbear":3d8q5ig1 said:......
And yet it's the only thing worth copying. .....
IIRC, when some unoriginal information you posted about sash windows was copied for a magazine article, you felt affronted.
Why was that?
BugBear
Jacob":3lcs75ks said:In the wonderful world of traditional crafts everything is copied: woodwork, food, music, fabrics, pottery, you name it.bugbear":3lcs75ks said:......
And yet it's the only thing worth copying. .....
bugbear":1v1vdy13 said:Jacob":1v1vdy13 said:In the wonderful world of traditional crafts everything is copied: woodwork, food, music, fabrics, pottery, you name it.bugbear":1v1vdy13 said:......
And yet it's the only thing worth copying. .....
IIRC, when some unoriginal information you posted about sash windows was copied for a magazine article, you felt affronted.
Why was that? The data wasn't even original, yet you still objected to the copying.
BugBear
The piece of writing was original. To copy it without credits is the same as counterfeiting, or passing off as one's own. The information itself was freely available and there's nothing to stop anyone from reproducing it - but in their own words.bugbear":26t4fhez said:Jacob":26t4fhez said:In the wonderful world of traditional crafts everything is copied: woodwork, food, music, fabrics, pottery, you name it.bugbear":26t4fhez said:......
And yet it's the only thing worth copying. .....
IIRC, when some unoriginal information you posted about sash windows was copied for a magazine article, you felt affronted.
Why was that? The data wasn't even original, yet you still objected to the copying.
BugBear
I was asked why I mentioned the UK forums in a reply on Sawmill Creek. Many of you should go and read the original thread there:
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread. ... koff-Tools
Then return and re-read this thread.
What you will find here (if you retain an objective mind) is a large number of rationalisations and justifications why one may use pirated designs. The responses on SMC are different - consideration is instead given to the financial plight of the manufacturer. No one is seeking a reason to bend the "rules".
Regards from Perth
Derek
CStanford":7364q6dw said:I was asked why I mentioned the UK forums in a reply on Sawmill Creek. Many of you should go and read the original thread there:
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread. ... koff-Tools
Then return and re-read this thread.
What you will find here (if you retain an objective mind) is a large number of rationalisations and justifications why one may use pirated designs. The responses on SMC are different - consideration is instead given to the financial plight of the manufacturer. No one is seeking a reason to bend the "rules".
Regards from Perth
Derek
In your view, were bargain hunters ever the target market of a firm like Lie-Nielsen? Do Rolls Royce concern themselves that some people have to drive Toyotas rather than one of their cars?
There is no financial plight, but if there is and they are attributing it to Woodriver, for instance, they're likely barking up the wrong tree. Despite what you seem to believe, there is NOT a bottomless market for premium hand planes that is somehow being encroached upon by the Chinese. People who want a premium plane will buy it. If sales are drying up, there is reason other than "Chinese knockoffs."
The thread you linked to is so full of drivel it's hard to read.
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