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John McM

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I'm lucky enough to live in the country but the price to pay is we're off mains gas. We have an old oil fired boiler and the cost of domestic heating oil has risen from 17p/ltr when we moved in 4 years ago to around 55p/ltr now. It's enough to make your eyes water. Has anybody got any experience of alternatives like Ground source heat pumps, solar panels, wind turbines etc
Any other ideas welcome
Regards
 
Hi,
First ;I'm not an expert at all.

I'm also faced with possibly of going to live in the country with oil fired heating. Financially it looks as though this could become quite an expensive deal over the next 10 years.

My thoughts are:-
1) Is the boiler the most efficient I could get. Boilers have a life of about 15 to 20 years and a modern replacement may be much more efficient.

2) has the house got its full complement of insulation...walls, loft and double glazing....if not try Energy Savings Trust web site for details of savings..they have an automated advisor which will tell you what to upgrade and what grants are available.

3) could you use multi-fuels boilers or even wood log heating

4) wind turbine probably more trouble than its worth

5) roof mounted solar hot water panels might be a good idea but would need a change to plumbing layout. Recently became cheaper with the advent of vaccuum tube systems.

6) heat pumps work at giving you a back ground heat but probably need to be designed into the building heating system from day 1 to get the best out of them eg a very well insulated house with large double glazed glass areas for solar gain as well.

I have some of these things now but have noticed that many houses in the country do not.

Hope that helps the old thought processes a little. There is a lot of info out there.
regards
Alan
 
Thanks for the advice Alan. I live in an old cottage with poor insulation, no double glazing and an ancient boiler. All need correcting before the next winter. I was hoping to find modern technology could provide major savings in space heating. Looks like some serious research is in order.
Cheers
 
Forget the hype, the only one on your list that is guaranteed to work when you want it to is the heat pump. It is also the most expensive but can break down into a BIG DIY job.

Roy.
 
Hi John,

I looked into solar, wind and GSHP for a newbuild which has high levels of insulation. When I did the sums for pay back all were pretty horrendous. Best was GSHP with around 15yrs. All would have cost £10k plus.

Don't forget to take into account that a GSHP still needs a fair amount of electricity which is also becoming more expensive. GSHP is also best used with underfloor heating, so more investment.

Pre-newbuild we relied on a lot of logs in a woodburner running 24x7 and night storage heating.

Post new-build we have really good insulation, a condensing oil boiler with underfloor heating and a log burner for peak needs.

Things link GSHP, wind turbines etc are great technology, but the costs, even with the pitiful grants, just don't stack up for financial savings.

I'd say best course is first to improve levels of insulation and get a condensing oil boiler.
 
Here in Wales John you can get grants to replace old boilers, I think similar grants are available throughout the UK. I got my info via Google. Here grants are variable depending on circumstances, such as age, medical history etc, worth following up mate!

Roy.
 
Insulation....insulation....insulation...that is the most cost effective way of saving heating bills but.......

very difficult to do in an old house/cottage..pm me if you want advice on the best way of doing this

If you have open fires then you need to supply air to them...ideally dedicated pipe for air under the floor that exits near the base of the fire. Otherwise you're looking at the air up the chimney dragging heated air from the rest of the house.

Remove draughts....ah...you're in an old cottage...hollow laugh....rather difficult.

Small windows....double glazing benefits debatable IMO. But if they need replacing (as they are rotten or draughty then make your own...go for 4/6/4 K double glazed units. That way you actually can see out of the windows as you can get away with a narrow and aesthetically pleasing glazing bar as opposed to todays modern eyesores where there is more frame than glass especially on small windows...sorry...hobby horse of mine..

Looked into GSHP...you need a HUGE area 300 sq m + that you dig up to install the pipes. ££££. Great if it's a new build adjacent to a paddock and/or installing a brand new system. Still very expensive £10k + and rising. Or to reduce ground area required you drill down vertically which, depending on the ground, can get horrendously expensive.

Get a good central heating plumber in and ask him to measure the efficiency of your boiler. You may be surprised. Our boiler (Worcester 26/50 IIRC) came out at around 80%...perceived wisdom from other sources was that it would be only around 50-60%. Then do the math. Payback periods of 15 years or more. Decided against replacing the boiler.

Benefits of new boiler especially combi is space won as no hot water tank, cold water tank.
 
Hi,
I recently built my own home. We went down the heat pump and solar panel route. After living through our first winter in the house I can happily say its been an outstanding success.
The first thing I would say to get right is the insulation. We built a timber frame home and heavily insulated it. My father in law thought I was mad, but when building its something you can't overdo IMHO.
The heat pump is 4kW input, 12kW output and easily heats a 3,500 sq ft house plus my workshop (underfloor). We have 1000kM of pipe in the garden buried 1M feeding the heat pump. The house has never been below 21 degree's all winter. Also one other thing on the heat pump is we went for night rate electricity. I setup the system so that it only called for heat at night, so over here at least we have only ever paid half price electricity in use. A side note here, we only ever run the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble drier at night also. Most modern machines have built in timers making it easy.
The solar panels have been nothing short of amazing. Its suprising how little light required to heat water. We've gotten I'd say 80-90% of all our hot water this last year just from the solar panel. We made no connection at all from the heat pump to our hot water system so our secondary source of hot water comes from an immersion (again setup only to come on at night i.e. half price power). Location of the panel is critical, we're lucky in that the back of our house has sun all day long (when its out). Also aesthetically solar panels have come a long way, mine is flashed into the slate so just looks like a big velux.
Now to cost to install, the whole system cost €20,000 (15,761.98 gbp at todays rate). The Irish government gave me back €6,500 (5,124.33 GBP) so in total I paid €13,500 (10,642.72 GBP). Was it worth it? I think so, I reckon it only cost me 3-4 grand extra over a conventional system with the grants taken into account.
Cost to run we have also been happy with. I can only compare with my last house. I'd say our electricity bill has been around €300 more expensive over a 12 month period, but our house is twice as big as the last one and electricity prices have gone up a lot over here in the last year or so. Also no oil/gas bill.
A lot of people scoff at this kind of system over here but if done right with good insulation I couldn't recommend it highly enough.
Hope this helps,
Neil
 
Yes thanks Neil, that is very interesting. I wish I was in a position to do the same. Not sure how to make necessary mods to an old cottage and still justify the outlay. Something to ponder.
Cheers
 
Surely John there is another way of looking at it? If you don't intend moving for many years whatever the outlay the reduced energy costs should would be a help. Logically if you do sell in the future your work should improve the selling price and whatever the insulation problems something in the line of of heat pump must help you with running costs?
Modern solar panels are pretty good if you can find room for the tanks and piping.

Roy.
 
An open fire is the simplest and best form of heating as well as being the healthiest as it induces more air changes in the room than other forms of heating, of course there is a "downside" and that is the cleaning and stoking of the fire, the upside is the breast as it passes up through the house heats that room as well, I appreciate you can't have a fire in every room, but for the main living room it's nice an cosy, in my last house I made a grill to sit above the fire and on saturday/sunday nights we had indoor barbies with spuds wrapped in foil done in the grate and bacon chops etc done above the fire, lovely :D, I used to start the fire off with some smokeless anthracite and then fuelled it with logs from the local wood, ie, dead trees on the ground cut to length with a bow saw, it's a good excuse to take the dogs out and get some fresh air as well, ah, the good old days, now we all wake up in the morning with thick heads and sniffs thanks to central heating and when I think back to when I was 5/6 the ice was on the inside of the window, dad would be up about six to make the fire, but before he did he would stick his toothbrush up the chimney and brush his teeth with soot! :shock: .
regards,

Rich.
 
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Stay well away from LPG.
Beware the 'non-storage' types of systems if you have a big family... there are many drawbacks relating to being able to meet the demand on hot water.
Look at the price of 35 Second oil for you oil boiler - ( Red Diesel ), - can be very competitive in comparison to 'Domestic heating oil' ( 28 Sec's redwood or KEROSENE as its better known )... its a 15 minute job to re-calibrate the pressure jet burner in the boiler for a combustion techy...
You DO need to service 6 monthly, though - Diesel burns that wee bit dirtyer than Kero, and there's no better an insulator for firebox of the boiler than soot... so keep her cleaned out every six months.
Oil boilers are very 'safe'.... don't be in a great hurry to pull it out of there, but perhaps 'supplement' it with some alternative sources... more so perhaps to 'Pre-heat' your hot water indirect pipe circuit etc.
Have a word with your local oil supplier's Boiler Servicing Dept engineers... they're almost always plumbers / heating engineers who have 'gone on' into the combustion engineering specialist side of the industry, and will be able to advise.


BTW - an open fire, whilst looking nice is only 30% Efficenent... 70% of the released heat from the fuel goes straight up the chimney. :shock:
look nice though :wink:

All the best ! :wink:
 
I saw that diagram just before I installed LPG Jenx. I'd love to know who composed it and how he came to those results.
I live in an all timber bungalow, which prior to the installation of a LPG fired wet system, was heated with modern storage heaters at off peak rates and also heated hot water.
In addition we used timber, (I'm a woodworker!) and coal to heat the main living area.
Our costs have not only halved I no longer have to make provision for solid fuels nor disposal of ash and the comfort levels have vastly improved.
The downside was my usual battles with planning regs where I got three different answers from three different people concerning siting the storage tank!
Strangely, the moment I was diagnosed with cancer everybody fell over themselves to make it as easy as possible, the commissioning engineer even turning out at less than a days notice to check it over!
:lol:
 
LPG has a higher calorific content than NG, notta lotta people know that.
Rich.
 
I think the comparison with LPG is miles out of date, Oil has gone through the roof. Incidentally, I never new about 35 sec gas oil(red diesel). Am I allowed to use it for home heating?
Cheers
John
 
Digit - the comparison is SUTHERLAND ASSOCIATES. - They've been doing it for many many years, as long as I can remember, in fact. They issue figures to Oil & Gas supply companies , primarily for marketing use by them, one would presume.

As stated by others - Insulation, and lots of it will keep costs down.
Understand though, that Insulation on its own does not generate heat. Its about controlling heat loss, and heat transfer.
Heating is always about trade-offs.
Heat wants to 'equalise' - If you have a room at 22 degrees and an uninsulated void above it at 10 degrees, the heat wants to 'equalise' that differential more eagerly than if the void is at 18 degrees, for example. Therefore your need is to prevent the rate of that loss or transfer - i.e. maximum insulation.

The ONLY way to make any heating appliance SAVE money, is to turn the bloody thing off.
Having said that.. if you want to make it as cost-effective as possible, then, in addition to the insulation, the best way to achieve this is to go for as sophisticated a controls system as you can afford, and indeed understand, in terms of its operation.
Its pointless installing 1200 quids worth of control gear, if you have not got the first idea of how to get the best from it.
Programmable room-stat's, Sophisticated Control programmers, Zoning, etc etc will all assist in achieving maximum efficiency.
All Atmospheric Gas burners ( in your boiler ) are 'range-rateable'... you could be running your boiler at too high a burner pressure.. get it checked and set. This is also replicated in oil fired equipment... assuming your on a pressure-jet burner ( most of the old Rotary Vapourisers and Fan-assisted vapourisers have been consigned to the skips by now ) - The pump which delivers the oil to the atomising nozzle is range-rateable... again, get it checked... most run at around 130psi on kero ( 150 on Gasoil )... the walls of the firebox can only transfer the heat to the water jacket at a given rate of thermal conductivity.. if you exceed it.. the heat goes right up the flue... get it set up by a good qualified oil burner techy who knows what he's doing... it'll run all the better for it.

The calorific value of LPG / Nat gas is indeed slightly different, however that is largely irrelevant, because the applicance in question is designed to perform within given input/output parameters. EG - Anthracite has a much higher calorific value than gas.. but a Solid fuel boiler designed to output 100,000 btu, will do indeed that.. - output 100,000 btu. - the same as an LPG Boiler designed to output 100,000 will do likewise... the actual calorific value by a given volume is an irrelevance.
Its like saying LPG will only combust at a 3 -- 8% Concentration Gas-in-Air, whereas nat gas is 5-15%.. it doesnt matter !
Its incredibly easy to get 'hung-up' on utter irrelevances when it comes to space heating. Its NOT an exact science, and cannot be, as there are far too many variables which change on a minute-by-minute basis, with regards to the changes of room-air volume, outside temperatures, hot water demand, etc etc.. its constantly varying.
That is why heating is a trade-off, thats why its almost essential to slightly 'over-size' when designing...

Oil has risen because the price of Brent Crude just hit an all time high of $120 a barrel... thats all to do with exploration and production costs, and some other 'excuses to hike the price, like the recent Grangemuth strike... and guess where GAS comes from ! it'll rise pro-rata within a few short weeks, as will electricity, which still depends largely on steam-turbines which are fired by.... oil or gas.
There's no mystery to this stuff.. :wink:

Insulation AND Control system that you can understand and operate... And a good 'proper' service and setup of the boiler... not the dust blown off its nose and a quick hoover out.... done by a proper combustion techy.
Its not rocket science.. and the 'mystique' people seem to always build around it is , well baffling !
She's basic physics, guys... nowt more :wink:

Your gas oil is working out at the same price as your Kero there... but keep an eye and ear to the ground.. that isn't always the case... they go up and down, based on prices on the 'spot market' in Rotterdam, on a day to day basis.


Dont want it to cost money ? put an extra jumper on, and turn the boiler off ! :D :D :lol: :lol:


EDITED BY SELF - A thought did just occur... if you're getting through too much oil by your own expectations... how confident are you about the integrity of the supply line between tank and boiler ?
If its as old as you have indicated, you could be losing oil through leak(s) in the pipeline underground or something similar... chances are, if its an old installation, it could be piped in Mild steel, with little or no protection of the pipe under the ground and it could be corroded to oblivion.. even if its in 1/2" or 10mm copper, again it could be ill-protected, and have had its integrity compromised by stones etc through ground movement over the years. -- always look for the simplest explanation first !

Given that its an older property, with the typical 'older property idiosynchracies' with regards to things like the heating system... there is probably a huge amount that can be done to improve its performance. Let us know of what you find !

Alun.
 
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