Coronavirus

[Trevanion]

We were already doing that up here !

Yebut you were shooting at people's feet with your rifle once they got on the boundary! :lol:

 

[lurker]

Last June my father in law died.
When we cleared the house I found boxes and boxes of paracetamol.
At the time I grumbled about him hoarding.
This week, I have changed my tune as I have been able to ensure friends and family all have a good supply.
Thanks Stan!

 

[Phil Pascoe]

I haven't any paracetamol ............ but I have a couple of months supply of morphine.

 

[lurker]

I haven't any paracetamol ............ but I have a couple of months supply of morphine.

He had a 250ml bottle of that!
No one would take it for disposal, I thought it might be a problem tipping it down the drain so I poured it out in his garden. I’m sure it resulted in some very happy slugs

 

[RogerS]

Why was that Mike...rooms ? cooking ? Would really appreciate more info.

Every surface in every room I visited would need cleaning after every visit I made to the room, for a start. I mean, if we had a mansion with wings we could have separated completely, but that's not the way for most people. There's also the whole thing of being infectious before you know you are ill. I didn't know I was ill until Wednesday, but I'd caught the bug on the previous Thursday or Friday. So I had probably infected my wife before I even knew I was infectious. Once we thought through the implications we realised that isolation from each other within the same house just wasn't going to work. Sleeping separately, changing our individual towels every day, washing hands and wiping surfaces........we quickly realised it was all a bit token.

Ah, many thanks for that, Mike. You've covered pretty much everything I'd thought of and found a way around should one of us get infected. We're fortunate that we can hive either one of us away from the other for the duration. The one thing we can't guard against (as you highlighted) is being infectious before you know you are ill.

 

[Chris152]

Boris wants people to be able to go to the parks, to go for a walk and to get fresh air. (Just now in his address.)
Those running the parks and the National Trust are closing their parks because people going there en masse are a threat to public heath. (Just now in the BBC special news report in which Johnson made his address.)
(homer)
eta - and now he's saying, in the same presentation, 'Stay at home if you possibly can.'

 

[lurker]

Boris wants people to be able to go to the parks, to go for a walk and to get fresh air. (Just now in his address.)
Those running the parks and the National Trust are closing their parks because people going there en masse are a threat to public heath. (Just now in the BBC special news report in which Johnson made his address.)
(homer)

Never underestimate the stupidity of a herd.

 

[Bm101]

I spent the weekend taking my shed back to ground zero. Proper sort out from the ground up. Well happy.
Kids and mrs doing gardening etc. Spring sunshine. Bird song. Clarity.
Enough to take your mind off a pandemic briefly.
Next door meanwhile got people round. Not kidding. Garden party.
I see Bill later over front fence. Party Bill ?
Nooooo. Well a few. Its mothers day.
I know Bill. Didn't get my mrs nowt on account of the international pandemic. Or my Mum. I phoned her up. They are alright so far.
Well just a few people says Bill. A Usually Intelligent Man.
He shrugs. He knows but he is struggling to cope with the enormity of the change in circumstances.
You understand exponential growth though Bill I hint at politely. It's not 9 its 9 to the power of .
Yebbut.
Bill and his mrs help all the old folk. Done so for years. Really.
Good sorts. 9 people there today plus Bill and Mrs.
Educated sorts . Morally obligated. Business owners.

If Bill is doing it what hope have we got. I'm essentially a libertarian. Not currently I'm fookin not.

 

[transatlantic]

Don't be like Bill.

 

[Bm101]

Where I live is pretty nice. Nigh on everyone round here has at least the idea of a garden. Tower hamlets it's not. There is free space to go and be alone.
For possibly the first time in history the police were called to the local park in the actual daytime because there were too many kids and parents in the playground.


....

I'm not making this s*** up.
The police had to tell all the grown ups to take their kids home.

Starting g to think this is destiny tbh.

 

[RogerS]

I spent the weekend taking my shed back to ground zero. Proper sort out from the ground up. Well happy.
Kids and mrs doing gardening etc. Spring sunshine. Bird song. Clarity.
Enough to take your mind off a pandemic briefly.
Next door meanwhile got people round. Not kidding. Garden party.
I see Bill later over front fence. Party Bill ?
Nooooo. Well a few. Its mothers day.
I know Bill. Didn't get my mrs nowt on account of the international pandemic. Or my Mum. I phoned her up. They are alright so far.
Well just a few people says Bill. A Usually Intelligent Man.
He shrugs. He knows but he is struggling to cope with the enormity of the change in circumstances.
You understand exponential growth though Bill I hint at politely. It's not 9 its 9 to the power of .
Yebbut.
Bill and his mrs help all the old folk. Done so for years. Really.
Good sorts. 9 people there today plus Bill and Mrs.
Educated sorts . Morally obligated. Business owners.

If Bill is doing it what hope have we got. I'm essentially a libertarian. Not currently I'm fookin not.

I dream of driving down the promenade with my Uzi and starting the cull.

 

[Chris152]

Yep, what the Bills don't need is rather vague and contradictory advice. What they need are clear instructions backed up by the force of law.

 

[Doug71]

When I drove the 2 miles to my workshop through our village today I saw more people out walking their dogs and stood in front gardens chatting etc then I ever have before, unbelievable.

 

[HappyHacker]

Snowden reported its busiest ever day in living memory on Saturday with so many people at the top that social distancing was impossible.

It does make you wonder.

As someone trying to isolate (over 70) it is difficult when I have to go shopping nearly every day as there is nothing to buy in the shops no bread, no milk, no tea and that is the small local shops and I am not going queueing at 6:00 am. It is also difficult trying to explain what isolating means to my daughters, who don't live with us, and wife. They think it is funny when I go around disinfecting door handles behind them.

 

[Cheshirechappie]

Did my weekly shop yesterday morning. No problems - just a couple of items on the list out of stock. Given the circumstances, I'll live with that. In fact, given the circumstances, I reckon that's pretty flippin' amazing.

Been going to the same supermarket Saturday morning for years. Got to know the front-line staff reasonably well - share a laugh and set the world to rights as my stuff goes through the till and into bags. Made a point yesterday of seeking out the floor supervisor and quietly saying thanks for all the efforts; some of us do appreciate the hard work on our behalf. She looked half way to worn out.

Did cross my mind that the checkout staff spend all day every day facing a constant stream of mobile petri dishes. So much for social distancing for them.

Spare them a thought, next time you do your shop. Just a quiet thanks. They've earned it, these last couple of weeks.

 

[Lons]

a handy length of 4x2 accidentally swinging around as you thought you heard someone shouting 'Help' and you turned to see if you could help.

Just make sure it's longer than 2 metres. :wink:

 

[Andy Kev.]

Yep, what the Bills don't need is rather vague and contradictory advice. What they need are clear instructions backed up by the force of law.

I agree but the practical side is that it is unlikely that there is enough of the law to go around. The background to that is of course good: we live in a society where we are governed and policed by consent.

What needs to make a comeback is something that we seem to have abandoned i.e. social pressure. In Bill's case it would involve everybody in the neighbourhood telling him that the party is over and the guests have to go home. We have developed, probably since the 60s, a culture whereby you do your own thing and "nobody ain't gonna tell me nuffink". Everybody's got rights but nobody's got obligations and because the police have effectively been neutered (what would happen to a copper these days who would give a child the traditional "clip round the earhole"? The answer is simple: no backup from parents or schools and probably disciplinary action.), it is increasingly difficult for them to react quickly and snuff anti-social behaviour out on the spot.

What Bill was doing is almost the definition of anti-social behaviour. The weird thing is that he's probably a nice, civilised bloke: he's forgotten his social obligations or probably more to the point, he is enough of a selfish individualist to resent himself conforming to them.

The very bottom line is the concept of consideration for others. In the case of this virus that does not mean keeping the music down at your garden party for fear of annoying the neighbours but not having the party at all for fear of taking out half the neighbourhood.

If I were bm101, I'd consider printing off my post about Bill and all related replies and showing them to him in a kind and friendly way so that he doesn't get too embarrassed.

 

[Rorschach]

People are afraid to tell other people they are acting like idiots when they are acting like idiots. However nice Bill may be, he's acting like an acting and needs a wake up call.

 

[Chris152]

Yep, what the Bills don't need is rather vague and contradictory advice. What they need are clear instructions backed up by the force of law.

I agree but the practical side is that it is unlikely that there is enough of the law to go around. The background to that is of course good: we live in a society where we are governed and policed by consent.

What needs to make a comeback is something that we seem to have abandoned i.e. social pressure. In Bill's case it would involve everybody in the neighbourhood telling him that the party is over and the guests have to go home. We have developed, probably since the 60s, a culture whereby you do your own thing and "nobody ain't gonna tell me nuffink". Everybody's got rights but nobody's got obligations and because the police have effectively been neutered (what would happen to a copper these days who would give a child the traditional "clip round the earhole"? The answer is simple: no backup from parents or schools and probably disciplinary action.), it is increasingly difficult for them to react quickly and snuff anti-social behaviour out on the spot.

What Bill was doing is almost the definition of anti-social behaviour. The weird thing is that he's probably a nice, civilised bloke: he's forgotten his social obligations or probably more to the point, he is enough of a selfish individualist to resent himself conforming to them.

The very bottom line is the concept of consideration for others. In the case of this virus that does not mean keeping the music down at your garden party for fear of annoying the neighbours but not having the party at all for fear of taking out half the neighbourhood.

If I were bm101, I'd consider printing off my post about Bill and all related replies and showing them to him in a kind and friendly way so that he doesn't get too embarrassed.

Yep, all that's failing so we need laws enforced to control the situation.

 

[Andy Kev.]

I agree but the practical side is that it is unlikely that there is enough of the law to go around. The background to that is of course good: we live in a society where we are governed and policed by consent.

What needs to make a comeback is something that we seem to have abandoned i.e. social pressure. In Bill's case it would involve everybody in the neighbourhood telling him that the party is over and the guests have to go home. We have developed, probably since the 60s, a culture whereby you do your own thing and "nobody ain't gonna tell me nuffink". Everybody's got rights but nobody's got obligations and because the police have effectively been neutered (what would happen to a copper these days who would give a child the traditional "clip round the earhole"? The answer is simple: no backup from parents or schools and probably disciplinary action.), it is increasingly difficult for them to react quickly and snuff anti-social behaviour out on the spot.

What Bill was doing is almost the definition of anti-social behaviour. The weird thing is that he's probably a nice, civilised bloke: he's forgotten his social obligations or probably more to the point, he is enough of a selfish individualist to resent himself conforming to them.

The very bottom line is the concept of consideration for others. In the case of this virus that does not mean keeping the music down at your garden party for fear of annoying the neighbours but not having the party at all for fear of taking out half the neighbourhood.

If I were bm101, I'd consider printing off my post about Bill and all related replies and showing them to him in a kind and friendly way so that he doesn't get too embarrassed.

Yep, all that's failing so we need laws enforced to control the situation.

It's very difficult to legislate for people's attitudes, which is what we are discussing here. I would imagine that emergency powers in the current situation would be acceptable to most people. However, the root problem is something that has been growing for many decades.

The 60s social revolution was a cracking thing in terms of rights for the individual. For instance, life is surely better now for gay people than it was then. However, we appear to have thrown out the baby of social standards and the will to enforce them along with the bathwater of restrictions on the rights of individuals. People are now scared to pull up other people for unacceptable or antisocial behaviour and they feel that in any event they will get no backup from a state that itself has largely abandoned standards.

It seem to me that the nature of human and political affairs is pendular. In pre-WW2 times there was too much conformity to social standards e.g. divorce was seen as being almost scandalous, now there is too little conformity e.g. a woman can announce that one day at the time of her choosing she will have a child but will bring it up entirely on her own (I've come across two examples of this). It would appear that the pendulum has to take a swing back to somewhere more near the middle.

FWIW I don't think you can directly legislate for this but what you can do is direct the police to be far less tolerant of anti-social behaviour. Personally - and I do mean this seriously - I would bring the stocks back for things like vandalism or drunken loutishness. Waking up with a hangover to find yourself being pelted with rotten fruit for 24 - 48 hrs would probably change the behaviour of a lot of people.