Cop 29

[Spectric]

People keep saying nothing is happening, near the top of this thread China generating 35% from renewables.

But look at what is not from renewables, it sounds a lot and would be for many countries but China produces huge amounts of energy so still a lot of dirty energy and also places like India. To solve this global issue then it has to be done fully otherwise it is nothing more than putting out half a fire.

 

[Ozi]

I know some us want to think back to these days…but life changes

What we run on now is lower than 2* and compare the miles per gallon you get!

 

[Ozi]

But look at what is not from renewables, it sounds a lot and would be for many countries but China produces huge amounts of energy so still a lot of dirty energy and also places like India. To solve this global issue then it has to be done fully otherwise it is nothing more than putting out half a fire.

65%. Very true but my point is change is happening and it would not have happened if it didn't start somewhere. It's similar to the capital punishment argument if you don't make a stand you have no voice.

 

[Terry - Somerset]

There's a huge difference between what is needed and what is available NOW!
You simply don't discard the current solutions unless the alternatives are available in sufficient quantities and economically viable, none of which currently meets those criteria so as not to disproportionately and negatively affect our economy and wellbeing of the people of this nation.

Before any further commitments are made to this net zero virtue signalling, the first thing to do is ensure that there is an abundance of clean and cheap renewable energy to power the alternatives otherwise they won't be affordable.

Legislation is needed to initiate changes which short term appear economically non-viable. The alternative, for understandable reasons, is the continued pursuit of the cheapest.

We accept regulation, for instance, for animal husbandry, drugs trials, car emissions kit, food safety, health and safety etc etc. They come at a cost to the consumer who mostly support the rules - the alternative is a race to the financial (and quality) bottom.

If the overwhelming evidence is that climate change is a real threat, forcing consumers to change behaviours makes sense. It is an opportunity to lead the world in green energy, not reluctantly trail the rest.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Lead the world in green energy by all means but don't expect the world to follow - the rest of the world won't subsidise it as we are forced to.

 

[Croolis]

This victimhood thing is pretty tedious to listen to. Something else being done to us, isn't it? It's this sort of nonsense that's slowly murdering this country.

We, and I mean the British, bear large responsibility for industrialising the world, creating globalisation, consumer society. We are still, despite the abysmal last 10 years or so, way up in the top percent of living standards. I have no expectation of ever starving to death, no matter how inactive I get, and if I get sick, no matter how long the queue for it, I'll get treated. All of this on the back of mass production, horrendously wasteful consumerism, ridiculous lifestyle choices, an economic system that demands population increase, when the overwhelming evidence is that the people of developed countries graduate naturally towards not increasing their population, paving over every last bit of green you can find, be unable to live anywhere that you can't hear the hiss of traffic on yet another fooking dual carriageway, environmental decimation. P-p-p-p-put up a parking lot.

But apparently we're the ones getting screwed over so don't do anything folks. Behave.

 

[RobinBHM]

And there's no earthly point in believing that if Britain does something successfully others will follow. They'll all do what suits them. Every last one of them.

Your energy bills more or less doubled because the price of fossil fuel gas went up.

But you think you’ve been subsidising renewables ….despite the fact solar and wind EP produced electricity are cheaper

 

[Scruples]

Look at products around you, it is a bit late for that as everything seems to be made in China or asia.

China are building their economy on manufacturing and supplying to the west. They are, as has been said before, tuning to other forms of power generation and away from fossil fuels. We are becoming more dependent on their technology. Will they use that against us one day? Or will they feel that they would be cutting off their economy them?
Interesting times.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Your energy bills more or less doubled because the price of fossil fuel gas went up.

But you think you’ve been subsidising renewables ….despite the fact solar and wind EP produced electricity are cheaper

So why are they subsidised? 25% of our bills subsidise "cheap" power, thanks to the gurning moron Ed Davey.

 

[RobinBHM]

So why are they subsidised? 25% of our bills subsidise "cheap" power, thanks to the gurning moron Ed Davey.

They aren't subsidised by 25%

Green subsidy is 11% average for dual fuel but that includes grants for better insulation on homes, heat pumps etc.

How much have bills gone up due to fossil fuels? A = upto around 70%



Our electricity would be cheaper if its price wasn't tagged to gas power stations

 

[selectortone]

thanks to the gurning moron Ed Davey.

Don't be coy, say what you really think