I try not to post YouTube videos but I thought this was a rather thought provoking film on "climate deniers" because it describes some of the narratives we have on this thread:
Simon Clark YouTube
Simon Clark YouTube
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Jacob
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https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/the-demon-haunted-world-en
Climate change deniers perhaps do have a role like court jesters; deriding ideas and forcing a closer look. Trouble is you can have too many of them and all you get is the sound of babbling buffoons listening to each other and repeating what they pick up!
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Agent_zed
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I've stopped trying to convince climate deniers of climate problems, instead I point out pollution problems. I may not be able to prove that the scientists are right about CO2 levels etc but it is easy to prove that if you have 10 million cars each with 4 wheels that start off with 8mm of tread and after ~2years they have 1.6mm of tread, all of that man made material from 40million tyres has been worn off and become dust which washes into streams and blows in the wind into gardens and lungs, and then all of those 40million tyres need to be disposed off somewhere, they don't just vanish. It's easy to prove that fertilizer run off causes algal blooms. It's easy to see plastic wrappers in hedgerows. It's easy to question whether they want to return to lead pipes for water supplies and if they say no, ask how do they know the scientists are right with the risks of lead poisoning if they aren't trusted to be right with climate change.
Climate change is a result of our horrendous treatment of the earth, even if climate change does not exist and/or is not a problem it does not in any way diminish the fact we are trashing everything and polluting every part of the world.
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Maybe we will have a new era of woodworkers, forced to learn handskills and watch as all the expensive tools that made jobs easy gather dust as they wield there mallets and chissel away to make a mortice by oil lamp or candle, we will not know or get the story because our Pc's are equally dead and so no news on the UKW.
Jacob
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Page from Sagan (1996) with a forecast of things to come! Trump/Musk - Beavis/Butthead?
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Maybe energy will get expensive, and so align the immediate personal cost with the real cost to the environment. Perhaps the same for timber, metal fixings and so forth. Objects such as furniture might then be made to last, and treated as valuable possessions, not as lifestyle accessories to throw away when a new seasons colours come out. Performing some tasks by hand may save on manufacture costs, and people will be proud to own something hand-made again. Well made pieces of furniture (for example) might be passed down through the generations, binding each generation to the previous with their acquired history.
I think that that consequence will improve the quality of many lives, the makers, the owners, the gifters and receivers. A far more meaningful life than our current throw-away, low quality society.
BC'er
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All the best for the Season Jacob!
Those who want to have here all the customs of our "old countries".
BC'er
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Reality is beyond these pages and your ideas, in case there was any confusion there.
If you think you can correct some misapprehension on my part, feel free to do so.
If you can't or won't we can draw our own conclusions.
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