Box Sash Renovation

[Chip shop]

To be honest, I don't glue the linings on at all. Nailed and painted in place seems to do the trick.

EDIT:because this has been bugging me...

I'm starting to doubt myself, but I still don't see the advantage of tongue and grooving the outer linings and stiles (I'm assuming this is what we're talking about?).

[my thinking]
If the linings move a bit then that's OK, and can be rectified if necessary (never happened to me, but I suppose it could) but I don't want them dragging the box with them. My concern is the box twisting and fouling the sashes, or clanging the weights.
[/my thinking]

I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I'm really interested in everyone's thoughts on this.

 

[Chip shop]

Bumping this thread 'cos I'm interested in everyone's answer to the above.

I have to make another one in morning...do I T&G the linings or not?

 

[AndyT]

From looking at what has been ripped out and skipped by misguided neighbours, nailing on without T&G was the norm round here. Ours are still in good shape after 100+ years, so I've not dismantled them to check!

 

[ColeyS1]

Bumping this thread 'cos I'm interested in everyone's answer to the above.

I have to make another one in morning...do I T&G the linings or not?

Best advice I ever had, was listen to everyone's reasonings, then base your decision on what you thinks best. At the end of the day it's your name you're putting on the work

Coley

 

[ColeyS1]

That said, if you wanna listen to other people's thoughts and make YOUR own decision, you might need to change this attitude !!!! -

Woodworking books are great, but they represent an opinion of a geezer who was perhaps slightly distanced from house bashing. Experience has taught me(and my Dad as it goes) that hardwood cills are bobbins. Pretty much all my stuff is done in U/S redwood.

House bashing doesn't really do your work justice. I'd call it joinery

Coley

 

[RossJarvis]

Bumping this thread 'cos I'm interested in everyone's answer to the above.

I have to make another one in morning...do I T&G the linings or not?

If I understand what you're saying correctly, I wouldn't think so. I just put a new one in recently which was only grooved for the inside cill. However I think local practice can vary. For instance I've not seen horns on the top of the inner sash around here.

 

[biskit]

Working through from the 60s for 50 years I've not come across many with T&G even on the larger better built houses. The only place that ever leaked water was the mastic that had cracked.

 

[Chip shop]

That said, if you wanna listen to other people's thoughts and make YOUR own decision, you might need to change this attitude !!!! -

Woodworking books are great, but they represent an opinion of a geezer who was perhaps slightly distanced from house bashing. Experience has taught me(and my Dad as it goes) that hardwood cills are bobbins. Pretty much all my stuff is done in U/S redwood.

House bashing doesn't really do your work justice. I'd call it joinery

Coley

I know what you mean, but no one seems to see any value in decent joinery anymore. I've just done a big porch renovation which consisted of all new cills, repairs to the mullions, all new glass and a new stable door (including for hanging, all new hardware and weather bar). IMHO it looks brilliant. All I got was 'perhaps we should have done it in plastic after all!'

 

[ColeyS1]

Plastics only good for so many years though. Then it'll start deteriorating and start looking cack. Atleast wood could in theory last forever if it's taken care of.

Coley

 

[Chip shop]

Plastics only good for so many years though. Then it'll start deteriorating and start looking cack. Atleast wood could in theory last forever if it's taken care of.

Coley

I know that, you know that, pretty much everyone on this forum knows that, but we only represent a small percentage of the population of this country.

UPVC and foam are the scourge of my job.

 

[RossJarvis]

Plastics only good for so many years though. Then it'll start deteriorating and start looking cack. Atleast wood could in theory last forever if it's taken care of.

Coley

I know that, you know that, pretty much everyone on this forum knows that, but we only represent a small percentage of the population of this country.

UPVC and foam are the scourge of my job.

I prefer wood, most of us do, but I recommend UPVC as most people aren't going to look after the paint. It's not uncommon to see wood rotted out after 10 years as the windows weren't treated, weren't painted properly to start with and the customer only paints it when it's too late, because they only think of doing it when the paint's falling off.

 

[ColeyS1]

Plastics only good for so many years though. Then it'll start deteriorating and start looking cack. Atleast wood could in theory last forever if it's taken care of.

Coley

I know that, you know that, pretty much everyone on this forum knows that, but we only represent a small percentage of the population of this country.

UPVC and foam are the scourge of my job.

I prefer wood, most of us do, but I recommend UPVC as most people aren't going to look after the paint. It's not uncommon to see wood rotted out after 10 years as the windows weren't treated, weren't painted properly to start with and the customer only paints it when it's too late, because they only think of doing it when the paint's falling off.

Yeah, I agree. For that reason I always encourage customers to have windows/doors made from hardwood. Usually the extra cost is frowned upon, but as soon as the cost of labour vs materials is explained, they usually agree it makes sense.
I've only made one softwood window in the last 10 years. It was for a listed church and despite it being painted and me offering to make it from hardwood for no extra cost, the powers that be insisted it had to go back as is. If that should ever need remaking, it'll cost em a few quid ! :lol:

Coley