bowl + jigsaw = critique! now with added pens

[El-Zilcho]

OK, I'll give that a go!













































umm, how?

 

[Bodrighy]

Make two captive rings. the grain will run right across them at two points. If you carefuly snap one at this point, interlace with the other one then glue back. If done carefully the glue line in the grain won't show. It works best with a wood that has a fairly distinctive grain. This one is in Eucalyptus and worked fine though the candlestick is lousy.

Pete

 

[El-Zilcho]

:lol: ah, so simple when explained! I was expecting some kind of fancy turning skill to be divulged....snapping things is something I can give a go right now!

 

[mark sanger]

ahh, thanks Jenx, that has made my day!

To be honest though putting the pen next to the bowl, the bowl is beginning to look more and more like a mishap! :roll:

Hi

You say that the bowl looks more like a mishap!

It is important when trying new design ideas not to expect to get it right the first time.

How did you feel when you took on the idea.

Did you feel apprehensive and then chuffed afterwards as you had cut into a perfectly good bowl. ?

Did this in any slight way feel liberating and exciting as if you were trying something new that was outside of what you had thought you would ever try.?

Did it make you think differently about what you may do with your work in the future?

It is easy to stay within our own comfort zone and to never do things that are a bit far out. This is not a bad place to be but it also stops us from exploring places that we may find much more exhilarating in the long run.

Also it helps us to learn new skills and techniques and eventually find our own style.

Don't get me wrong. It is important to make sure that tool control is a priority before we get distracted with other ideas.

Yes this sort of work is perhaps better used with a flowing form so that the cut out can flow with the form into the base.

Why not have another go but this time copy my black bowl but on a smaller scale say 6 or 8 inch. Print it off and use the shape of the cut out. Stick this on your bowl and cut it out learn the idea of using the different tools to get to the end result. Take the cut out into the base and keep the wall thickness of your finished bowl to 5% of the overall diameter.

This will make the cutting out easier.


So for a 200mm/8inch bowl make the wall thickness 10mm.

I think for your first attempt you have done well.

Keep refining all the time and eventually you will get the result you want.

If you want any time you have a problem give me a ring my tel no is on my web site. I am happy to help. That goes for any one as long as it is at a sensible time.

Or email me if you have any issues.

However also if you like to turn certain items it is important to turn what enjoy turning. This way you will always get better results.

take care

Mark

 

[El-Zilcho]

Hi Mark

First of all, thanks - you would make a fabulous teacher!

I have talked about the design with my mate Dave (Hi Dave!) and explained to him what I was trying. I think I was a little ambitious expecting a first attempt to come out as intended, so I shall chalk this up as experience, and will be having another go in the near future. I will certainly take on board your ideas re: templates, and taking the cut into the base. And of course, post the results - if nothing else it has got a few people thinking!

Jez

 

[Happy amateur]

For cutouts on vases have a look at Mark's site
www.markhancock.co.uk/
Brilliant

Fred

 

[stevebuk]

nice set there Jez, the bowl is great for a first attempt, and so is the pen, keep em coming..

 

[mark sanger]

For cutouts on vases have a look at Mark's site
www.markhancock.co.uk/
Brilliant

Fred

Yes Mark's work is in a league of it's own. A delicacy that makes you wonder when seen up close how it is made with such fine detail.

It is well worth studying as there is a lot of movement/lines with the cut outs. The delicacy of form blending with these lines and visa versa means that the eye is never distracted and the work can be viewed as a whole without distraction. This for me is when you know you are there with regards to design and form. When you look at a piece and see just beauty. It is a pleasure to view.

M

 

[mark sanger]

Hi Mark

First of all, thanks - you would make a fabulous teacher!

I have talked about the design with my mate Dave (Hi Dave!) and explained to him what I was trying. I think I was a little ambitious expecting a first attempt to come out as intended, so I shall chalk this up as experience, and will be having another go in the near future. I will certainly take on board your ideas re: templates, and taking the cut into the base. And of course, post the results - if nothing else it has got a few people thinking!

Jez

Jez

Thank you for that comment.

I am in fact currently drawing up course notes in order that I can start teaching on a more regular basis as I have always wanted to teach and pass on my passion for turning.

Thanks again

Mark

 

[wizer]

I can see a holiday to Dorset in my future!

hmm... Honeymoon? :-k

 

[El-Zilcho]

Mark - I cannot reccomend teaching highly enough - the best job in the world! I teach both three year olds, and adult teachers. Although the adults can be far more immature in class, it is good to get some coherent feedback on my work. Good luck!

 

[Jenx]

[I am in fact currently drawing up course notes in order that I can start teaching on a more regular basis as I have always wanted to teach and pass on my passion for turning.

I'll have a bit of that, once your ready ! if you wouldn't mind me joining the queue !
Go for it, Mark ... I reckon you'd make a suberb teacher. ( nothwithstanding the skills with the gouges.. the right kind of mentality is already in place. )
Good luck if you decide to proceed with the idea.
You'll be on to a winner. :wink:

 

[miles_hot]

[I am in fact currently drawing up course notes in order that I can start teaching on a more regular basis as I have always wanted to teach and pass on my passion for turning.

me so - though I think that it will be some time before I will be able to take full advantage of this.

Do we think that there is a place for a thread on forum members who provide training - who and any comments on them from other membes?

miles

 

[Mark Hancock]

For cutouts on vases have a look at Mark's site
www.markhancock.co.uk/
Brilliant

Fred

Yes Mark's work is in a league of it's own. A delicacy that makes you wonder when seen up close how it is made with such fine detail.

It is well worth studying as there is a lot of movement/lines with the cut outs. The delicacy of form blending with these lines and visa versa means that the eye is never distracted and the work can be viewed as a whole without distraction. This for me is when you know you are there with regards to design and form. When you look at a piece and see just beauty. It is a pleasure to view.

M

Thank you for the comments

 

[Mark Hancock]

If I've understood this right the cut out was done with a jigsaw?

The tool I first used and still do ocassionally is a Japanese Trim Saw. It's a great little saw which allows more control over how and where you cut.
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=22298&name=trim+saw&user_search=1&sfile=1&jump=0

For my Drop Series I now use a rotary fluted cutter in a Dremel.

 

[mark sanger]

Hi all

Been a bit busy and not looking through the threads as I should.

Thank you for all the words of encouragement with regards to the teaching. I have a lot of work to do and it will be exciting to do.

It wasn't a sales pitch by the way as I am not that way inclined.


Thanks again

Mark

 

[mark sanger]

El-Zilcho

Thank you.

I was talking to a fellow turner and we were discussing design amongst other things, and he told me of a great book, which I did after putting the phone down realise I already had.

I have not read it for some years and indeed I forgot I had it.

It is called, Decorating Turned Wood " The Maker's Eye"

by Liz & Michael O'Donnell. It is published through GMC publications

I have now read it again and it is a fantastic book and includes masses of info and ideas with regards to cut outs, form, colouring and where to get ideas from.

You would be spending very wisely if you go this book and it would help you further with your journey of cut out bowls.

Well worth the money.

And thank you to the person I was having the conversation with for pointing it out to me.

I purchased it read it once and forgot about it. Now I have read it again I realise what a treasure it is and how much it will help you all with the inspiration and ideas side of things.

Buy it, you won't regret it.

Take care

Mark

 

[Bodrighy]

Isn't that the couple who specialise in green turning Mark or am I mixing them up with someone else?

Pete

 

[Mark Hancock]

Isn't that the couple who specialise in green turning Mark or am I mixing them up with someone else?

Pete

Yes Mick is a specialist in green turning

 

[mark sanger]

Thanks Mark

Yes Pete

Michael O'Donnell book which I also have and which I would urge people to also buy is called "Turning Green wood"

It is how I learn the skill and is a fantastic book.

Again published by GMC

Take care

Mark