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wizer":njzv16dx said:
Froggy, the owner of this site is pretty busy with other stuff and is happy for this site to just bob along as is. I do agree that the rest of the non-forum parts of the site could be updated to help beginning woodworkers. But I really don't think it's going to happen any time soon. We're all very tolerant of newbies and no one really gets upset at repeated basic questions. So, in short, let's just carry on as is.
I agree with Tom...Charley is a busy bloke doing other stuff full time. We are a pretty tolerant buch here so the thing to do is to just keep banging away asking questions about things you don't understand. Most members will attempt to give you a straightforward answer. It's very helpful though if you can post pics to illustrate areas that you find difficult - Rob
 
Froggy":26lvs1wj said:
all the Usual Suspects have taken over the topic to discuss the search engine qualities.


Usual Suspects?

taken over?

A good search engine that returns meaningful results is a great asset to anyone seeking information, education or clarification, that is why I made the comment. A good alternative to the forum search has arisen as a result of that.
 
Hi Froggy, Welcome to the forum! :D

I think the main hurdle you're facing here is your perspective of this site. It is full of really useful, anecdotal information based on other members past experiences/expertiese. I think you seem to be trying to use it's 'pages' in the same way you would use a woodworking manual. This is the wrong approach, in my opinion (IMO).

If there was a constantly updated index of topics covered then it would be possible to jump straight to that section and have your issue answered without having to interact with other forum members. As has been mentioned, this level of workload would be impossible to maintain.

Where this site shines, however, is the fact that you are perfectly welcome to pop up, introduce yourself and post a question about something you're finding difficult and have an answer usually within the hour, usually from people who have encountered the same issue when they were starting out. They might also suggest different ways of accomplishing the task that you may not have thought of and a book may have no mention of.

In my experience, the more time you spend lurking around the site, the more general info you pick up. You might read a post on something you have no intention of trying out only to find that in a few months time you do actually need to do it. If you can remember the subject keywords you can search for it or ask the question again.

What I tend to do is use Google to search for info on a particular topic (spraying oil paint is something I need to know more on at the mo) and figure out what it is you you still dont know. Formulate your question (with pictures, ideally so we know precisely what you're asking) and then post it in the relevent section. say what it is you want to know, what you've already learned (someone may have better info).

Some threads can disolve into entrenched debates on differing methodologies if you get two or more members who are equally passionate about their technique. The important word to remember here is 'passionate'. IMO, there aren't any truely arrogant members here who will shoot someone else down in flames just because they think they're better than them. As I've said, we've all probably encountered the same issues when we've been starting out. If we could have learned from someone elses mistakes at the time, it would have saved us a lot of trouble learning from our own. :roll: :lol:


... bit of a ramble, I know, but please feel free to ask any questions on here. We all love woodworking here (otherwise we wouldn't put up with the expense/pain/tears/blood..) and we want others to experience it for themselves! :D
 
I seem to be saying all the wrong things!! I don't want to upset anyone and certainly don't want to put extra pressure on already busy people or mend something that isn't broken. I think it's a great site and am happy to just carry on as is. If you can put up with my annoying and sometimes stupid questions, all the better. Thanks guys.
 
Thanks Bryn, I appreciate everyones help and tolerance. And I appreciate the 'Passion' you talk of - it's what attracted me to the site in the first place. To know that other people can get as existed as I can about wood was quite a revelation for me. When I come come in the house like the conquering hero and tell my wife I can now sharpen a blade that will shave my arm hairs off, and get a blank expression it's a bit deflating. So to hear you guys talking about things like this with great enthusiasm is a big boost for me. I can sit up hours on an evening 'listening' to you guys - sad, but true!!

Tim.
 
hear hear! My missus thinks I'm nuts when I'm staring out of the window of the car at trees. Now she says "You're thinking about what you can make out of that tree aren't you? :roll: " :lol:
 
Wizer I bet you get the dirty looks from the missus when you go to friends houses and start running your hands along the joints of the furniture or lay on the floor to look under the table!!
 
Froggy":30oq6zxr said:
lay on the floor to look under the table!!

Now that made me chuckle, see I aint always a grumpy old git; most of the time yes, always ... no.
Sorry if I came on a bit 'heavy handed', was just trying to point out, as Bryn did but rather more eloquently, that search engines, both google and here (perhaps better via google), are probably your best friend when starting out in this great hobby.
 
Froggy":137nsoay said:
Wizer I bet you get the dirty looks from the missus when you go to friends houses and start running your hands along the joints of the furniture or lay on the floor to look under the table!!

In Chris Swartz's blog he recounts that when they went out to the American equivalent of a stately home the guide gave him and his friend torches as soon as they mentioned that they were woodworkers as he knew they would spend most of the tour lying on the floor examining at the underside of furniture ;)
 
I went to a 'historic house' in Washington DC. In fact the house was about 200 years younger than our local pub...
My son's then father-in-law and I were looking at some pretty poor dutchmen on a door repair when the harridan leading the tour shrieked at us not to touch the door as it was 'over 100 years old!'. My reply that so was my house didn't go down well...

On the other hand I hear that woodworkers get a good reception if they go to the Shaker villages in New England, and sometimes get to see reserve collections.
 
When I first started reading this forum I sat for a few days just going through the sections I thought would be of most interest. Obviously I didn't sit and read every post - just picked ones which might be interesting and book marked them for later reading.
It's unfortunate but the search function of the phpBB software has always been cr4p, but hey it costs nowt and with so much else you get what you pay for.
If I need to search for something very specific (in the forums) then I'll use google - they'd some 93,000 pages from the forum indexed and their search can be modified to return just about whatever result you want.
 
Froggy":2w6isb5r said:
on the floor to look under the table!!

I've noticed that I do that when I'm in an 'old' pub and I've had a few. My friends are used to me sticking my head under the table and mumbling about M+T's and aprons before popping up to wizely shake my head and admonish the shoddy build quality as if I have a clue what i'm on about! :oops: :lol: :lol:

Glad I'm not alone! :D
 
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