Beautiful hand forged damascus folding knife. Now finished

[Graham Orm]

Thanks Noggsy, excellent input. Completely clarified.

 

[Noggsy]

You're welcome. Also, watching the video again, I don't think that's a knife with a lockable blade. He doesn't press anything when he folds it as far as I can see, so unless the blade is over 3 inches, it would be legal anyway.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Illegal to carry without good reason. Court to interpret what is a good reason. So worth thinking about where you take it / keep it.

I did hear somewhere that it is wise to carry a pencil when you carry a knife.
I think it's a great shame that we can't carry knives just because the powers that be find it easier to make laws that blanket cover rather than gaol the nasty little illegitimates that stab people.

 

[Sheffield Tony]

Interestingly, that page is self contradictory, if I understand English properly.

It is illegal to:
carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, eg a Swiss Army knife.

and

Lock knives (knives with blades that can be locked when unfolded) are not folding knives, and are illegal to carry in public.


So according to the first quote it is legal to carry any (except banned) knives with good reason, or without any reason if they are short and not locking. The second quote states in a blanket sort of way that it is illegal to carry a locking knife. The banned list incidentally does not specify locking knives, mostly knives either designed to do harm or disguised knives. Good of them to clarify the issue :roll:

I presume the first interpretation is true. If not, I am a habitual criminal. I had two locking knives and four axes in my boot on Sunday !

And what's the problem with cutting the Elm tree ? Am I in trouble again ?

 

[Tony Spear]

Any locking knife is indeed illegal. However I think that most bobbys are highly unlikely to nick you for it, even if they did find you carrying one. Especially (and I'm taking a guess here) a middle aged bloke.

As has been said many times before - the Law is an ***!

Not long after the Hunting ban, I had my ex-wife's Spaniel staying with me and my two dogs over a Bank Holiday weekend and I came across the local P.C. and asked him whether I should report myself for "hunting with dogs". 'cos any one of the three would chase anything they put up! Except Winchester, who would have made a token chase and then come back to the biscuit supply!).

 

[Graham Orm]

The process forging the blade
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHkJVeA3krk
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iocy_TZAT3U

Previous knife with 'feather' damascus markings on the blade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlJBquPlNaY
Previous knife finished with bone handle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTKsPZKxrUg

 

[Lons]

As an aside This is the stanley knife I keep in my pocket all day. It's the best I've ever used, slim small and completely secure blade. Only downside is no spare blade storage. I'm just about to buy a second one even though I have at least 7 or 8 of the standard type.

I didn't get the original from these guys but it does seem a little hard to find.

Bob

 

[Graham Orm]

Try one of these Bob. Fast blade change, one handed opening on both blades, both locking. Couldn't manage without mine. http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/handtools/kn ... d=11758471

 

[Lons]

Try one of these Bob. Fast blade change, one handed opening on both blades, both locking. Couldn't manage without mine. http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/handtools/kn ... d=11758471

Thanks for that, looks interesting and I'll certainly look at it next time I;m in B&Poo

 

[Benchwayze]

The law might have changed somewhat since my day but:

A weapon is anything designed, and made for the purpose of inflicting injury or killing.

An 'offensive weapon' per se, was any weapon designed and made to maim or kill a human being. Be it knife gun or club.

That's why a shotgun isn't an offensive weapon. It was not designed as a weapon for killing people. It's a sporting gun. Of course it can be USED as an offensive weapon. A military shotgun however might be a different kettle of fish. I would have to take instruction on that one.

A lock knife was considered illegal, not because it's an offensive weapon, as such, but because being a lock-knife, it can be used to stab, without the assailant risking the knife folding up and inuring him/herself. Anyone who wants to use a folding knife as a weapon would choose a lock knife for preference. If you used a non-locking folding knife to stab, you would hold the knife edge uppermost, and stab with an upward motion to avoid the knife folding on you. DAMHIKT!

So the definition of an offensive weapon in my day was complicated:

a) Any weapon designed to maim or kill a human being. (A rifle, (maybe not a match target rifle) a pistol, or revolver, a dagger, a truncheon. (Incidentally, Police Officers are not allowed to carry a truncheon home with them, as being off-duty, they don't have lawful authority or excuse to do so.)

b) Anything used as an offensive weapon, with intent to maim or kill. (An airgun, a pen knife, a knitting needle, a kitchen knife, a Stanley knife; an open razor. (A Stanley-knife is not a lock knife, but a tool.) None of these are designed to maim or kill people. Anyone who carries such things with intent to use as a weapon commits an offence of course. But it used to be that the Police had to prove the intent.) It seems today that assumption is enough; perish the thought.

c) Any non-offensive weapon adapted for use, or used as an offensive weapon. (I .e. Sawn-off shotgun. A metal comb with sharpened teeth. a bicycle chain made into a cosh. )

So that's why I no longer carry a penknife, and even had a Guinness key-fob penknife confiscated, when recently, I left it on my key-ring, whilst attending Court as a witness.)

I forgot gravity knives, (Like Greyorm's?) and 'flick-knives'. Both illegal and classed as an offensive weapon period.

Sorry if I bored anyone, and if my knowledge is out of date, I'd welcome any correction. :wink:

 

[Benchwayze]

I got pulled up by the Police going into the House of Commons - a search revealed my tiny Al Mar lock knife on my key ring with a tiny 15mm blade.
So tiny I forgot it was on there.
I had left my legal Swiss Army penknife with its 75 mm blade at home.

Taken into a side room and given a good telling off but allowed me to pick it up on the way out!

Still brought up regularly by the family when they want to embarrass me!

Rod

Same as my Guinness knife! Same scenario. Embarrassing to say the least! :mrgreen:

 

[Noggsy]

Benchwayze - it depends on when your day was, but the definition of offensive weapon goes back to 1953;

"Section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 provides that an offensive weapon is any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to the person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use by him or by some other person."

Injury in this case including common assault (which is distinct from battery and could include using it in a threatening way, i.e. Waving a pool cue to threaten someone could turn it from sports equipment into an offensive weapon. Holding a 2.5 inch folding knife to someone's neck would turn it from something lawful into an offensive weapon.

Whilst linked to the legislation regarding knives, this is distinct from (and pre-dates) it. There is a specific defence of having a knife with a lockable blade for the purposes of work (or for religious or educational reasons). I suspect that your knife being confiscated was not to do with it being illegal, rather a condition of entry, similar to that of entering a nightclub. I could be wrong though and there might be specifics laws relating to the Houses of Parliament.

 

[Benchwayze]

Benchwayze - it depends on when your day was, but the definition of offensive weapon goes back to 1953;

"Section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 provides that an offensive weapon is any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to the person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use by him or by some other person."

Hi Noggsy,

I think that's more or less what I said. (Retired 25 years of course).

[An 'offensive weapon' per se, was any weapon designed and made to maim or kill a human being. Be it knife gun or club. ]

I was referring to any 'thing' that would be regogniseable as a weapon. I.e. A gun, a dagger or a truncheon.)

An article or thing, can be anything, such as I mentioned. (A comb. A knitting needle. etc.) Used or adapted for use, or intended for use as a weapon of offence. I bow to your recall of acts and sections, on the grounds that without looking up these things, my memory gets twisted due to 'Intellectual Intermissions'; aka 'Senior Moments'!

Thanks for the refresher. I think I'll re-apply for that job in Training! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheers Bro.

 

[Noggsy]

Well, I might have looked it up a bit

Nice to see someone enjoying 25 years of retirement...something I hope to do in about, errr, 25 years (unless they extend the retirement age yet again). I'll have to come and have a brew and compare war stories, if that's ok, next time I'm heading down to Coventry.

 

[Benchwayze]

Well, I might have looked it up a bit

Nice to see someone enjoying 25 years of retirement...something I hope to do in about, errr, 25 years (unless they extend the retirement age yet again). I'll have to come and have a brew and compare war stories, if that's ok, next time I'm heading down to Coventry.

Not a problem Noggsy. If you can find me among all the junk in my shop! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Re the 25 years... It should read 23 + 2 years since they told me to go home; nurse my arthritis, and wait for the inevitable handshake.

But yes it's 25 years since I actually walked the streets in anger!

Take care out there. And keep clear of Rav Wilding! 8)