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Dan Tovey":1bgh943q said:
Roger Sinden":1bgh943q said:
.......For instance, I didn't see Panorama on Monday night but later learned that it had been about a subject that interests me - collapsing house prices.......

Don't you just love it when the media talks us into a housing price crash and a recession...talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Headlines such as 'HOUSE PRICES FALL' are guaranteed to start a crash...then when you look at the text it actually says that the rate of house price inflation has fallen ....BUT it's still going up...albeit slowly....at least it was until those flea-infested tabloid editors got their grubby little noses stuck in.
 
I got a good deal out of virgin yesterday, or did I?
TV 30 plus channels including HD.
V box records 2 programs and you can watch a third.(£75 one off payment)
Telephone, 200 minutes per month any time any where except 0900.
Broadband 2mb no limit.

£28 per month.
(No bt line rental needed)
 
I got a good deal out of virgin yesterday, or did I?
TV 30 plus channels including HD.
V box records 2 programs and you can watch a third.(£75 one off payment)
Telephone, 200 minutes per month any time any where except 0900.
Broadband 2mb no limit.

£28 per month.
(No bt line rental needed)

Also as a Virgin cable customer, for £10 a month you can have Virgin sim card with 300 texts and 300min mins all unused roll over.

The broad band speeds will start at the end of Feb to be increased for the same price to what your paying now
 
mr":2lurmnm8 said:
if you mean the requirement for "platform neutrality for seven-day catch-up television over the internet within a reasonable timeframe" then they are not ignoring the charter

How so? Supposing they launched , say, a new digital TV sports channel that was not available to 25% of their viewers.....do you think that they are ignoring their charter then?

Curious to know more why you think the DRM implemantation is 'deeply flawed'.
 
Roger Sinden":3kawushv said:
How so? Supposing they launched , say, a new digital TV sports channel that was not available to 25% of their viewers.....do you think that they are ignoring their charter then?

Curious to know more why you think the DRM implemantation is 'deeply flawed'.

In that case they might be said to be ignoring their charter, Im not up on the demands of he charter so I couldn't say for sure. However the requirement to make a catch up tv facility which is platform independent is not part of the charter. It is a requirement laid down by the BBC Trust. In as much as they facilitate a streamed service of content then they are fulfilling the requirement. As I say the user wants a download that he or she can keep which is a different issue but in downloading and keeping content the user denies the content owner the the royalty rights. The BBC doesn't own rights in entirety to everything it produces let alone shows and therein lies the problem and the reason for DRM. Personally speaking I want to download the program to watch because my connection is poor and the streaming option isnt really usable. I would also like to use something other than media player 10 to view the content because I dont have it even on my windows machine. However these choices are mine to make, the facility has been put in place by the BBC.
My view of DRM is that it is flawed for several reasons. Firstly whatever mechanism is found to facilitate rights management it will be broken and bypassed. It's an arms race, as new methods come into play they are broken etc. An encryption standard comprises three things, the encryption algorithm, the content and the key. When you buy it in the first place you are given all three - it stands to reason that it can always be circumvented somehow particularly when all three pieces are in the hands of millions of users.
Additionally Time restricted DRM makes no allowance for the manner in which the the end user wants to use the content. It dictates to the user that they can have this piece of content for 7 days, or they can make 2 copies of it and in this way it restricts the usage and so hopes to mitigate the financial loss to the copyright holders should the user abuse the content. The problem now is that if you circumvent the DRM mechanism to make use of the content under a fair usage banner which is your right, you are now in breach of the law. So DRM could be said to criminalize those who are simply exercising their right to use the content they have bought as they should be, and were previously, able to prior to the introduction of DRM.
DRM implementations as we see them at the moment are not about enhancing user experience but more about restricting usage. My argument is not about copyright protection, copyright is a good thing it protects my living and probably that of many other people on this forum, but current DRM implementations restrict usage beyond the legal requirement which is a bad thing and one which invites users to steal the content and risk prosecution.

Phew - that was a mouthful :)

Cheers Mike
 
Dan Tovey":1bdztr25 said:
As far as freeview is concerned, I've always found the reception crap.

That was my view before I got it. Demo sets in stores always seemed to be pretty poor - especially sport with lots of movement. But with a wideband aerial and a loft-mounted head-amp so that I can feed multiple sockets I must say that I have been really surprised. The quality [1] is excellent - far better than analogue.

Have yet to be convinced that the same is true of DAB though.

Andrew

[1] I mean the quality of the picture - not the quality of the programmes :)
 
RogerS":39da5uq4 said:
Don't you just love it when the media talks us into a housing price crash and a recession...talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Headlines such as 'HOUSE PRICES FALL' are guaranteed to start a crash...then when you look at the text it actually says that the rate of house price inflation has fallen ....BUT it's still going up...albeit slowly....at least it was until those flea-infested tabloid editors got their grubby little noses stuck in.

Hey, don't get me started on the house price crash, Roger!

Suffice to say, anyone entering the property market this year wants their bumps felt!

For full analysis try http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum
 
Mike

That's good news. Let's hope they don't slip the date.

But just to show just how far up Microsoft's backside the BBC is, I set my PC laptop up for downloading using iPlayer. There happened to be a link highlighted 'peer to peer' (which I know all about but wanted to check to see if they were trying to use my laptop as a peer ...which I don't want). Anyway, clicked on the link and despite Firefox running, iPlayer insisted on launching Internet Explorer. Go figure? Huh...conspiracy theorists apply here. :evil:
 
Maybe Roger, but Quicktime will try to do that on PC's. (So I have uninstalled quicktime). Therefore Apple are just as guilty.
 
devonwoody":146tp1wv said:
Maybe Roger, but Quicktime will try to do that on PC's. (So I have uninstalled quicktime). Therefore Apple are just as guilty.

What - load Internet Explorer or, as I suspect in your case, start up to play something when you click on the something.

If this is the case then it's nothing to do with Quicktime per se just that when you installed QuickTime it politely asked you if you wanted to make it the default player for specific file types and you said 'Yes'.
 
No I didn't, when I install quicktime (I sometimes have to) I tell it it is not default player.
But the next time I open something from a folder/file it likes to stick its nose in, and then I uninstall it again. :wink:
 
devonwoody":e2uob3cs said:
No I didn't, when I install quicktime (I sometimes have to) I tell it it is not default player.
But the next time I open something from a folder/file it likes to stick its nose in, and then I uninstall it again. :wink:

Well maybe it's trying to do you a favour as it knows it's streets ahead of Windows Media Player :wink: :D
 
I recently tried the iPlayer because some friends of mine raved about it. I was concerned about the peer sharing aspect and turned it off (I don't watch the stream, I download it all first). However, my AV programme reported a change in my "hosts" file and when I checked it had grown from less than 4Kb to over 240Kb, with some very "iffy" entries - not a good sign! I've since restored the hosts file, but my rootkit checker didn't like it either, so I doubt I'll be using iPlayer again - I'll stick to Radio Times and my digital off-air options (DVR and Sky+HD).

Ray.
 
Argee":3kpasurq said:
I recently tried the iPlayer because some friends of mine raved about it. I was concerned about the peer sharing aspect and turned it off (I don't watch the stream, I download it all first). However, my AV programme reported a change in my "hosts" file and when I checked it had grown from less than 4Kb to over 240Kb, with some very "iffy" entries - not a good sign! I've since restored the hosts file, but my rootkit checker didn't like it either, so I doubt I'll be using iPlayer again - I'll stick to Radio Times and my digital off-air options (DVR and Sky+HD).

Ray.

Which AV are you using, Ray? I'm using AVG and also iPlayer download on a PC laptop and it reported no errors.
 
Now that the iPlayer has been announced for the iPhone what does this say for the supposed DRM issues.

Cheers Mike
 
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