Axminster AW10BSB2 tablesaw - ORDERED!

[Mike.C]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SIP-01446-12-CAST-IRON-TABLE-SAW-WITH-SLIDING-CARRIAGE_W0QQitemZ310199793519QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM?hash=item483959376f

What about this one?

At £1700 they'll have to keep it I'm afraid....

It shows you how much these saws have increased in price because I paid £1,000 for exactly the same package 2 years ago with free delivery.

Cheers

Mike

Yes, I looked back at some old posts from people who had bought this saw a couple of years ago and they seemed to be paying about £200 less than it is now. Funny thing is in my industry (construction) we are tendering jobs at probably 20% less than a couple of years ago, yet machinery seems to have gone the other way!

If only there was a way of knowing when the next Axminster 10% off was going to be.

Ed

Yes but that is a £700 price increase, how the hell can they warrant that? And I just remembered that they also gave me free delivery on top of that :shock:

Cheers

Mike

 

[wizer]

Being that Axminster watch these forums about as much as I do, I'd stop saying that you're waiting for the 10% offer. They'll probably wait til you've bought it, then offer 15% the day after :lol:

 

[Mr Ed]

Being that Axminster watch these forums about as much as I do, I'd stop saying that you're waiting for the 10% offer. They'll probably wait til you've bought it, then offer 15% the day after :lol:

I'm not really waiting for it - as I recall it was December 08 when they did the last one, so I don't think its something thats coming again in a rush.

If I have a rush of blood to the head this weekend I may place an order!

Ed

 

[StevieB]

Was having a chat with the Axminster staff at Bobbing just before xmas and was told they were not doing a 10% after xmas as 'people have come to expect it'. They were also not doing the gift sets and bargains on small tool items and consumables they usually did round the base of an xmas tree for the same reason. We were both totally flummoxed as to the reason for this given Axminsters usual dedication to customers, and the only thing we could come up with is that opening new stores and staffing them gets expensive.....

Don't hold your breath for a 10% voucher anytime soon

Steve

 

[woodsworth]

I didn't exactly mean that one for sale. I just meant the 12 inch SIP. I just don't think the ten inch stands up to all we do as bench joiners. Often 10 inch machines have smaller motors that tend to burn out quite fast, and the arbors are engineered less robust then the 12 inch as well. It just makes sense that if your going to put a box in the room that it will be one that is designed to do what we do and engineered to last.

These SIP's while they have increased in selling price does not mean they will sell for that price. Anyone with a pile of cash in their hand has the advantage, not the seller. I think people forget that here because they are so used to being taken advantage of.

I recently bout the veritas honing guide. but when i was doing the search for some reason Rutlands site did not show up on the google search. So i bought it from Axminster. I later found out that Rutlands had it on sale. So i e-mailed Axminster. There attitude sucked so bad that i didn't take possession of the honing guide and bought it from Rutlands.

This is the only power we have as consumers and while the USA has understood this and changed the face of consumerism i think we here have still to learn this lesson.

You simply approach who ever and say what you are willing to pay, when they are willing to sell it for that they will do so, it may take some time, but they have to sell things to make a living plain and simple and as workers that have had to lower our prices to get work they also need to do the same. They are just trying on higher prices to see what they can get away with. If you allow it they get away with it and everyone pays the price.

 

[Mr Ed]

I hear what you're saying about consumer power Woodsworth, but I'm not sure how practically it would result in me buying the saw I want.

If I walk into Axminster tomorrow and tell them I've decided the saw is only worth £700 and thats my final offer, I imagine that after they've stopped laughing they'll show me the way out. The ebay item was on a buy it now, so presumably is only on offer at that price - if the seller was open to offers you'd think they would use an auction with a starting price that represented the minimum they would accept.

Chems got himself a great deal by shopping around and finding the right saw, which is great, but its not going to work out that way for all of us.

I like the idea of consumer power to directly influence the prices we pay for equipment, but I'm not sure the market is set up like that.

Ed

 

[woodsworth]

See i think this is what your led to believe. And of course they have there policies and procedures. You are led to believe the price is the price, right? well why is it they have sales? Why do they offer 10%, some times more on certain items.

The simple truth is the price is not the price, the sale price is the price and we are led to believe we got a good deal when we 've saved 10%. You simply e-mail them and tell them you are shopping around and this is the price you want to spend, when they don't give in you spend your money else where. Every time you want to buy something you do the same. They will soon realize how many sales they are loosing out on because of their own policies and procedures. It doesn't work over night, but it does work, trust me. You can get a good deal on your saw, but if you just give into your desire to have one then you will pay what they want you to pay.

Everyone should have this attitude when spending their money and soon it would shape the way business is done. That doesn't mean we hold them hostage by saying we will only pay some ridiculously low amount of money bit it is clear what something is worth. We don't want to buy shares in their company we only want what we are buying.

 

[woodsworth]

If I walk into Axminster tomorrow and tell them I've decided the saw is only worth £700 and thats my final offer, I imagine that after they've stopped laughing they'll show me the way out.

They may well laugh at you that is why it is important to put it in writing. It will go to a manager that actually knows that saw is actually only worth £500 at best, but they are holding it hostage for £800, so £700 is a good deal for them, especially if you are going to go and buy one else where out of principle.

They get enough such letters they will begin to notice!!!

 

[Mr Ed]

Hmm, this is a classic case of combined power though isn't it. If you knew everyone was going to do it, then it would be highly effective. If I try and do it on my own I just end up looking like a nutjob and not getting anywhere!

Ed

 

[big soft moose]

Hmm, this is a classic case of combined power though isn't it. If you knew everyone was going to do it, then it would be highly effective. If I try and do it on my own I just end up looking like a nutjob and not getting anywhere!

Ed

i can tell you for a fact that they wont deal - i approached them to see if i could buy just the main unit of a TS200 , but theres no dice - they were quite pleasant but adamant that its only sold as a complete package (returns excepted) and that the price is the price and thats it.

 

[woodsworth]

i can tell you for a fact that they wont deal - i approached them to see if i could buy just the main unit of a TS200 , but theres no dice - they were quite pleasant but adamant that its only sold as a complete package (returns excepted) and that the price is the price and thats it.

I agree that is their current policy. So what do you think would make them change that position?

 

[dicktimber]

Ed
what's wrong with the kity?

Could the price thing be directly related to
1 the Euro or $
2 the recession and numbers that were being sold a couple of years ago and what's being sold now.

Mind you If I win that Euro lotto tonight ....£181,000,000.....
who cares about a few quid!!!!

 

[Mr Ed]

Nothing wrong with the Kity, its a brilliant little saw. I'm just ready for more power and capacity I think.

Ed

 

[Shane]

I walked into the Axminster store today and got 10% off no trouble at all, but maybe cos my shopping list comprised of the AW12BSB2 saw, 12" planer thicknesser, floor standing morticer and extractor 8)

I have looked around at prices of saws for so long now, and I keep coming back to the same conclusion that those axminster saws cant be beat on value, a 4hp saw on single phase, with 100mm depth of cut, sliding table and massive table width for a grand, yes please - looking forward to my delivery phone call now

 

[Mr Ed]

I walked into the Axminster store today and got 10% off no trouble at all, but maybe cos my shopping list comprised of the AW12BSB2 saw, 12" planer thicknesser, floor standing morticer and extractor 8)

I have looked around at prices of saws for so long now, and I keep coming back to the same conclusion that those axminster saws cant be beat on value, a 4hp saw on single phase, with 100mm depth of cut, sliding table and massive table width for a grand, yes please - looking forward to my delivery phone call now

Yes I can see that a purchase like that would be a good position to ask for discount...good for you. I imagine that the saw on its own would not have swung it though.

Ed

 

[Anonymous]

I called in at Nuneaton this morning to have a close look at this saw and was really impressed. This is the machine thats basically the same as the popular SIP model.

Looks to be really substantial and well made. The sliding table looks good too. Only thing a bit poor is the rear take-off table, but I wouldn't be using that anyway.

Having looked around at the options for a couple of years now I think this is the closest to filling my requirements. The Scheppach TS2500 would be similar, but nearly twice the price for no obvious benefit.

I'm on the verge of being impulsive here - any other options I'm missing?

Ed

It is considerably better than the SIP and it has been reviewed on here by myself and others (use the search for more info)

 

[Mr Ed]

It is considerably better than the SIP and it has been reviewed on here by myself and others (use the search for more info)

Thanks Tony - I've read your previous posts on the saw and from those and others I have a pretty positive impression of the machine. I can feel an order coming on....

Ed

 

[Mr Ed]

Sunday morning seemed as good a time as any to place an order, so I did!

Hopefully in a couple of weeks I'll be the owner of a new saw.

The Kity 419 will be appearing in a for sale thread later once I've taken some photos.

Ed

 

[woodsworth]

After hearing that the Axminster is a better saw then the SIP my interest is peaked. I'd love to see some pictures when you get it and a full review if you don't mind.

 

[wizer]

It is considerably better than the SIP and it has been reviewed on here by myself and others (use the search for more info)

I'm sorry, but how can you back up this claim? Have you used both machines, extensively? Are all the owners of the SIP who highly regard it, talking hogwash?

Another bull$hit sweeping statement, I think!