Attempted break in!

[mailee]

As you will all probably know I have been out of the workshop for a while with the gazebo job. Well today was the first time I had returned to it to do some more work and found that someone had tried to break in! Luckily they didn't get in but it appears they had got into the garden from the golf course through a gate. They had torn off the glazing bars from one of the windows and tried to break the 'glass'. It must have surprised them as the rear window is made of double glazed Lexan. They had however managed to crack the outer panel. If it hadn't been for the missing glazing bars I would have assumed it was a golf ball that had done the damage. I have now screwed up the gate so it will not open any more and they won't climb over as it is covered in razor wire. Not too amused at the whole thing though. Would like to get my hands on them of course. :twisted:

 

[OLD]

My brother in law used to teach in a prison and he said that the boys hate infrared movement detectors (pir) on alarm systems so perhaps a dummy or a alarm system would help.

 

[devonwoody]

Definately a case of putting down some rat poison.

 

[ByronBlack]

DW - how would rat poison stop someone from attempting a break in?

 

[devonwoody]

If you filled up a whisky bottle,,,,,,,,,,,,,with lemonade you might find out who the burglar was :wink:


If you laid razor wire on the floor of your workshop so that a burglar trod on it in the dark< I suppose you could be done for something. But if you put razor wire on a fence can you also not be done for something?

 

[dirtydeeds]

ive told this one before but its worth repeating on the basis of the lengths they will go to to get your tools

they tried drilling the lock, its a top of the range yale

they smashed the lock off the door, that didnt work because the front and back of the lock are separate

they tried the door and the frame, it didnt work because i made them



so they smashed the wall of the garage and got my tools that way

 

[ByronBlack]

I have installed reasonable security features on my workshop, but I'm taking the view that if someone really wants my stuff they'll get it, so I make sure I have good insurance cover and have all my serial numbers/owners manuals and photographs of all gear so that I can make a succesful claim.

 

[Woody Alan]

A timely reminder, I have today fitted a yale alarm to my workshop after years of complacency, Screwfix doing a good deal
http://screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=62488
and I have bought an extra siren box for a tenner and a keyfob for a tenner from ebay. I do intend to up the physical security as well but it's just getting round to it, I need a fair bit of 4mm acetate to double glaze windows and secondly cause difficulty to intruders, anyone know a reasonable price supplier?

Cheers Alan

 

[mickster]

The problem is....

these days, the scrotes get away with it even if they are caught...so they continue to do so. Police having to fill in multiple pages of duplicate & triplicate reports - which tends to be too much hastle, idiotically-leniant sentences which are only served on prolific repeat offenders, alternative punishment schemes, ASBO's, I could go on and on about methods which don't work.

Why?

Do-gooders!

If they are caught by a house-holder (or dog) and given what they deserve, or succumb to anti-trespass measures, they are then eligible to make a claim. Whose fault is this?

Again, do-gooders!

The days of inconsequential actions are once again being recognised, with a recent retreat of a previous 'taboo'...childhood smacking, where justified in relation to the relevant 'crime', is a suitable punishment to prevent further incidences.

As long as it doesn't go as far as total abuse.

Let me ask the forum members who are, let's say 30 - 35+, were you smacked as a child?

Why were you smacked?

Because you did something you were not supposed to do in a socially acceptible situation.

I got smacked as a kid, and totally hated it at the time but on reflection, if I'd continually gotten away with the things I did, I wouldn't have the respect for other people's property, dignity or personal space that I have now, thanks to my parental guidance.

Put it another way...

This current situation of 'talking' to naughty children doesn't work. It just breeds contempt...the 'consequences' are always the same...useless words and maybe a half-hour deprivation of a favourite toy, then a give-in & cuddles.

I got a short-sharp-shock, then an instruction to apologise after thinking about it and be sure to know what I was apologising for.

Things come around in cycles of how many years?

Regards,

Mick.

 

[motownmartin]

I don't know whether you are right there Mick, about the smacking that is, my kids have not been smacked, they are now aged 20 & 25, and they have respect for others and their property, but I do agree that as a whole it is the law they have no respect for, as you say, they could almost get away with murder.

 

[mickster]

Martin,

maybe my example was a little non-specific between smacking Vs non-smacking.

It works for some scenarios...

However, the line which is drawn between right and wrong, and the consequences involved in a smacking/non-smacking environment have to have an equally relative punishment in regard to the 'crime'.

Time and time again, I have seen situations where hollow words are thrown out as a form of beratement, where the child knows it's an idle threat and continues without further punishment other than further 'meaningless words'.

The result in a few years' time?

The naughty kid that no-one wants to have at their own child's party etc. because you know that havoc is going to ensue and your own child is going to try to act upon what the other kid has got away with. Then you are left with having to explain why your kid can't do what the other kid does without being 'checked'.

My niece is a real handful at the moment...she's the youngest and is used to getting her own way. She gets everthing she wants when she's with her Mum, Dad & brother, because she tants when she doesn't. On the other hand, Grandma takes no s**t and she has performed a complete 180 when words have not been sufficient...

Maybe it's down to strict rules from the start and no deviation whatsoever, combined with complete co-operation from a partner, irrespective of a right/wrong decision.

Either way, the last few generations have had far too much freedom to run amok unchecked...

Sorry for the ramble...beer does that to you sometimes but I think there is some semblance of reality in there somewhere.

Mick.

 

[RogerS]

Mick

I'm with you on this.

My own observations are that it is down to poor/no/inadequate parenting. You only have to take a wander around a supermarket to see just how ineffectual/lazy/non-caring parents are as far as the behaviour of their children is concerned. Gross generalisation, I know, but there you go. I'm sure that there are good parents around. I know of at least one. But perception is all.

Make parents responsible for their offsprings' activities until they are what..18? Stick the parents in the dock with the kids. Give the parents a comparable punishment as well. Drag back the father if he's done a runner. After all, he helped bring the child into the world. He should damn well be jointly responsible for bringing up that child.

Mind you, society (that's you and me) itself has also abrogated its responsibility. If I stepped out of line as a child then I'd get a telling off by Joe Public most likely. Now that is extremely unlikely to happen. It's all about perception. Perception that we are going to be stabbed if we remonstrate against a child misbehaving. And so we don't do it. But this perception of the threat of a knife is only relatively recent, I would suggest. So somewhere in the last 15-20 years, we (society) lost the plot. It has been mooted that actually it is us...the baby boomers.. who started the rot

 

[punkrockdad]

Welcome to the United Council Estates of Ferel Children.

Its the Future, how worrying.

 

[devonwoody]

I got the cane so often the head teacher went sick with a stress related illness.

 

[RogerS]

I got the cane so often the head teacher went sick with a stress related illness.

Or maybe RSI (Repetitive Strain Injury) ? :wink:

 

[devonwoody]

whatever it was its served him right.

 

[White House Workshop]

The biggest problem on the estate where my aunt lives is kids under 10. They know they can't be prosecuted for anything so they just thieve as if there's no tomorrow. And once they reach the age of 10 or 11 they 'pay' younger kids to thieve for them, and so the cycle continues...

Bring back the birch! :evil: :evil: :evil:

 

[RogerS]

Bring back the birch! :evil: :evil: :evil:

As long as it's applied even more vigorously to the parents.

 

[Newbie_Neil]

Hi Alan

Glad to hear that they didn't get anything.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[dennyk]

IMHO as a 74 year old

I got the cane from the school teachers and when my parents found out they took me to task !!!.

the answer as I see it is-- make parents responsible for their childrens actions.

Where the child cannot be prosecuted because of age, take the parents to court for any crime against society that their children have committed, and pass a sentence that fits the crime and make sure the parents make restitution for any damage caused, wether property, physical or mental

Change the law to make it impossible for anyone to claim damages for any injury sustained whilst committing a felony.

Maybe one day someone will take a parent to court and sue for any misconduct their children commit