Are you thinking of splashing the cash on a jointing machine for xmas ?

[Spectric]

Well if you are, here is a quick overview of what the machine will cost, replacement cutters and the fixings so you get an idea of overall cost of ownership to give you a starting point for that big decision, having the basic facts in one place often helps. Look at the weight of the xl700 !

Any errors please let me know but it is a guide rather than definitive.

 

[fleyh]

Small correction.
In DF500 column - weight shown is the tool weight
In DF700 - weight shown is the transport weight with accessories
According to this page: DF700 tool weight is under 6kg.

 

[woodieallen]

But you don't need to spend that much on an XL 700. I know of this one for sale that is as good as new !

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/threads/reduced-price-festool-domino-xl-df-700-eq-plus.150215/

 

[Spectric]

so quote "The absence of any scratches, dents and dried paint should tell you that this DF700 is immaculate and has had very little use."

So @woodieallen you basically hired one for a job, is there not a chance that if you sell it then you might need it ? Also if you were back at square one would you still have chosen the 700, I suspect for your jobs it would be yes as that machine has both the depth and size of fixings.

 

[Jake]

On a quick look on the net, I can't see a DDF40 new for less than £1k (didn't see your £940 except for a SH one on Ebay), but DF500 available at £900 (you say £1240) and DF700 at £1250 (you say £1400).

That's all just using the shopping tab rather than a proper pre-purchase dive.

 

[woodieallen]

so quote "The absence of any scratches, dents and dried paint should tell you that this DF700 is immaculate and has had very little use."

So @woodieallen you basically hired one for a job, is there not a chance that if you sell it then you might need it ? Also if you were back at square one would you still have chosen the 700, I suspect for your jobs it would be yes as that machine has both the depth and size of fixings.

If I thought I was going to need it then I wouldn't be selling it !

Yes, I would choose the 700 again.

 

[Spectric]

On a quick look on the net, I can't see a DDF40 new for less than £1k

This is why it is important to shop around, no one seems to always be the cheapest for anything, cheapest one week and the dearest the next week !

https://www.dm-tools.co.uk/Mafell-D...LZ8pXSClTGOLr21siAYi0Ej2JYMqQu7Dzy-Cg4tvVdwMn

 

[TRITON]

I'd opt for the larger domino

Biscuits are so yesterday, and dual doweller is positivity antique

 

[Spectric]

According to this page: DF700 tool weight is under 6kg.

Well spotted, the 700 is 6.2 Kg and there was me thinking I was stronger than I thought but it is still twice the weight of the 500.

 

[Jake]

This is why it is important to shop around, no one seems to always be the cheapest for anything, cheapest one week and the dearest the next week !

https://www.dm-tools.co.uk/Mafell-D...LZ8pXSClTGOLr21siAYi0Ej2JYMqQu7Dzy-Cg4tvVdwMn

Fair enough, but best to do that for all of them then!

 

[Spectric]

It is not definitive, when spending that sort of money you will look for the best price on the day but more useful would be some info on depreciation so you get an idea of resale value. They can all be justified if you have a desire or want but spending big bucks on the machine and then a high cost on fixings is going to be offputing for some, take the P2 fixings as the cost would soon mount up. A box of 1000 P14 tenso connectors is over £700 which is a huge outlay and even a box of 80 is £65 without the pre load clips.

 

[niemeyjt]

For the Mafell, there are 3mm as well.

But remember with those cutter costings - the Mafell uses two - the Dominos only one.

 

[Spectric]

But remember with those cutter costings - the Mafell uses two - the Dominos only one.

Yes this is all part of the ownership equation, there are 3rd party Mafell cutters from CMT at much less cost but cannot say I have seen 3rd party cutters for the Domino machines as these are not as simple being threaded.

The Mafell being a doweling machine can only work with precision and there guide arrangement is really clever because it delivers the accuracy needed, no sloppy settings here and this idea would take the domino machines to a whole new level. I think for many dowelling jobs the 40mm plunge depth is a limitation especially if not working with sheet goods so not for me.

 

[Jake]

Yes this is all part of the ownership equation, there are 3rd party Mafell cutters from CMT at much less cost but cannot say I have seen 3rd party cutters for the Domino machines as these are not as simple being threaded.

I wouldn't use an aftermarket cutter, but Trend do them. https://trenddirectuk.com/trend-dom-06-domino-bit-6mm-diameter.html

 

[Spectric]

Having spent that on the machine using Trend cutters would seem odd but then does anyone use these and what are they like ?

 

[Jake]

Having spent that on the machine using Trend cutters would seem odd but then does anyone use these and what are they like ?

Can't answer your question as I haven't but agree on your sentiment - would use the Mafell ones on a £940 Mafell too!

 

[Spectric]

I think I would have more confidence in the CMT cutters compared to Trend .

 

[niemeyjt]

Yes this is all part of the ownership equation, there are 3rd party Mafell cutters from CMT at much less cost but cannot say I have seen 3rd party cutters for the Domino machines as these are not as simple being threaded.

The Mafell being a doweling machine can only work with precision and there guide arrangement is really clever because it delivers the accuracy needed, no sloppy settings here and this idea would take the domino machines to a whole new level. I think for many dowelling jobs the 40mm plunge depth is a limitation especially if not working with sheet goods so not for me.

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That setup, with 5mm cutters, replaces the Festool LR/32 system - for some uses

Sadly that piece is 800mm only - whereas the Festool basic rail is 1400mm

Also, there is an extension of 1600mm to make 2400mm - but it is just that - an extension to the 800mm - so to do a 1000mm you end up with a 2400mm guide.

 

[ColinDeVelen]

Mafell source their cutters from CMT.

 

[Spectric]

That is interesting to note,