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I was reading an article in Antique Collector by John Andrews about the current state of the antique furniture market which also seems to have some interesting lessons for anyone involved in furniture making.

Prices for pretty much all antique furniture peaked in 2003 and have fallen in every single year since then, furthermore that decline doesn't show much sign of slowing down. To give an example, a typical piece of oak antique furniture that sold for £100 in 1968 had surged in value to £3764 in 2003, but by 2014 is down to £2698. Victorian furniture has had an even more roller coaster ride. In 1968 Victorian was well out of fashion and a piece that could have been bought for £100 was up to £3914 in 2003, but today it's more than halved in value down to £1562.

John Andrews makes the point that this ongoing collapse in antique furniture prices isn't about the recession, because the decline began in the boom times for the wider economy. He argues it reflects a fundamental sea change in furniture fashions, and that people no longer aspire to furnish their homes with antiques but instead want a more contemporary modernist style. There's still a market for antiques, but it's really only got three groups of supporters. An ageing group of traditionalists who are literally dying out; an "interior designer" market who look for small, stylish antique furniture pieces that will fit into an otherwise modern decor; and a tiny elite of "museum quality" collectors who continue to drive record auction prices for the very, very top slice of the market...but this has about as much real connection to the mainstream antiques business as Wayne Rooney has with a pub five a side team.

He argues that as well as simple fashion there's also deep rooted social changes driving this trend away from antiques. For example he points to the collapse in the formal domestic dining room as a factor whittling away the demand for sideboards, formal dining tables, and sets of chairs.

This all seems to fit with my own experiences. The things that are in demand are paler woods, smaller pieces that better fit into smaller homes and apartments, matt finishes rather than the super shiny "french polished" look, combinations of wood with other materials, pieces for informal "kitchen/garden" living, and a generally more modern look that reflects mid century Danish design rather than traditional antiques.
 
That makes perfect sense. Also, he's missed the simple statistical fact that the housing stock is constantly growing, and with it demand for furniture. In the main people tend to decorate and furnish their homes in a fitting style and since nearly all new developments are "modern" then it follows that demand will be for sympathetically matched furniture. I'm a classic example, I really love exquisitely made antique furniture but built my own home 7 years ago in a very contemporary style. Thus its furnished with mostly modern. The only antiques are heirloom, family pieces. Prior to this build we had a 400 year old cottage that was riddled with antiques.
 
custard,

Thanks for this post.

I can also imagine the likes of Oak Furniture Land making a dent in the market for antiques - appealing to those who value the idea of solid construction but in a contemporary style. My in-laws have a piece from a similar company and it is simply awful; basically scrap wood glued together, no concept of wood movement in the design and generally poor making.

A relative of mine was trying to sell the family furniture and was basically told that brown furniture doesn't sell. Antiques Roadshow gave some poor person a similarly downbeat valuation of an entire bedroom set of furniture in solid ebony - I think they could probably have made better money turning it into pen blanks. I think there is still a good antique market for furniture in pale woods such as blond art-deco / Biedermeier style furniture.

I've got a lovely heirloom mahogany dining table; but, I wonder if it would mean as much to me if I wasn't into wood!

DT
 
Interesting stuff. What it does mean, of course, is that at the bottom of the market there must still be plenty of nice timber that can be recycled into something more contemporary.

Jim
 
.............. and in 2025, reaction against "modern" style will have set in, and that despised brown furniture will be in demand again!

Sadly, it's unlikely I'll still be around to see it and take advantage.
 
I love early oak furniture, and if I had the money and the space I would be buying it by the shed load. It is ridiculously cheap at the moment. A few years back a customer asked if I would restore an old Victorian chest of drawers for her. I told her it would cost about three times the value of the piece, but she did not mind and the job was done. On completion she said she had another set of drawers that she may want restoring. After about a year she came back to me with the second chest for me to look at. She had decided that she would like it to be sanded back to the bare wood, or alternatively ebonized as she wanted more of a contemporary look to it :cry: . When I saw the chest I was horrified at what she had in mind. The chest was a really early oak piece in untouched condition. I expressed my views that it would be a shame to destroy such a lovely piece, so she said if I wasn't interested in doing the job she might have a go at sanding it down herself :shock: I decided to try and save the situation by offering to buy the piece, so she could go and buy something more to her taste with the proceeds. So now every morning I awake to see this lovely little piece of British furniture history In our bedroom. I still shudder at the vision of her attacking it with an orbital sander and nitromores :roll:
 
Can there be anything more insulting than to describe furniture made from the finest wood, both local and from around the world, as brown? Is there a similar generic term to cover metal or plastic furniture?
 
A few of you may have noticed my recent post about identifying antique chairs.

Since then I cleaned my glasses and realised that they weren't painted but inlaid i.e. pucker Edwardian (not repro). However, my point is I sent a picture to a reputable auction house which said:

"Very pretty.
These chairs look to be part of a salon suite.
Estimate £100-150
That estimate is for the set.
This style is in a bit of a dip at the moment and prices have fallen."

That low estimate came as a surprise, but reflects other posters experience. These were to be sold for my Dad but we've decided they're going in the loft - doesn't fit with our more contemporary furnishings - until fashions change in their favour.
 
Random Orbital Bob":h5gyxv01 said:
JimB":h5gyxv01 said:
Can there be anything more insulting than to describe furniture made from the finest wood, both local and from around the world, as brown? Is there a similar generic term to cover metal or plastic furniture?

s-h-i-t-e
I think that covers it. =D>
 
Mike.S":3v4qtff3 said:
A few of you may have noticed my recent post about identifying antique chairs.

Since then I cleaned my glasses and realised that they weren't painted but inlaid i.e. pucker Edwardian (not repro). However, my point is I sent a picture to a reputable auction house which said:

"Very pretty.
These chairs look to be part of a salon suite.
Estimate £100-150
That estimate is for the set.
This style is in a bit of a dip at the moment and prices have fallen."

That low estimate came as a surprise, but reflects other posters experience. These were to be sold for my Dad but we've decided they're going in the loft - doesn't fit with our more contemporary furnishings - until fashions change in their favour.

That sounds in line with the prices that sort of furniture goes for at our local auction house - if you don't mind being temporarily off-trend you can furnish your house with real furniture at bargain prices. The larger/darker pieces of bedroom furniture and sideboards frequently languish unsold at the end of the day, with a bleak furniture ahead of them in somebody's woodburner.
 
JimB":1z74gmn6 said:
Is there a similar generic term to cover metal or plastic furniture?

Contemporary - So named as you're conned into buying it and it isn't going to last.

Regards Mick
 
actually quite seriously, if they're going for real knock down prices ie sub £50 and they're sizeable, its an excellent source for ready dried wood turning blanks for small spindle projects and segmented work.

I've recycled 3 pieces from my parents old house as they became redundant. They weren't that great, with lots of hidden veneers etc but because even 50 years ago there was so much more access to decent exotic hardwoods, the makers used off cuts of mahogany etc for all sorts of filler pieces, dust frames etc. These old wardrobes, drawer chests etc are absolutely riddled with good bits.

When I first started turning I used a lot of the salvaged mahogany, oak and walnut for making Potter style magic wands for the kids as the pieces were narrow. Pen blanks of course is another use and one can always laminate them to make larger pieces, bowls etc. Depends on the price they go for I guess.
 
I wouldn't break down a "proper" antique. The old pieces I'm talking about are probably circa 1940 time when there was still a lot of great quality hardwoods used, but also a lot of veneer. Its not so much the veneered boards but the other construction elements that make up the furniture that yields a surprisingly large amount of decent hardwood. I broke up a massive walnut veneer double wardrobe as the veneer was peeling away in sheets and it was beyond economic repair. Just the floor alone was a solid sheet of mahogany. It was incredible the lumps of decent wood that came out of that ugly old monster. I even made a camping table out of some of the better veneered walnut bits.

A lot of those pieces had veneered blockboard in them and even that is fabulous quality compared to the rubbish in the modern sheds. The blockboard is typically dead true, no voids, mostly comprised of hardwoods but where pine is used its excellent quality that took years to grow and not the white deal you get now. Those offcuts are great for jig making, animal hutches etc etc, garage furniture and again as construction elements in modern furniture.
 
DannyEssex":2h281if2 said:
Just out of interest, what are peoples views of recycling old furniture? Is it frowned upon to break down old usable pieces?

I recently cleared my dad's house and disliking waste tried to sell or recycle furniture. I found - albeit withoiut much reasearch, as time was short - that:

- Large display cases (very ordinary e.g. Schreiber, G-Plan style) are unpopular, though a neighbour took one.

- G-Plan style furniture (solidly built, oak veneer) seems unpopular also, though I saved a wardrobe and chest of drawers for my daughter's bottom drawer (to be sprayed, contemporary style). I felt guilty breaking up another solid wardrobe as the panels (not ply or MDF!) at least could have been re-used but no time to find a new home for it.

- A local authority/charity partnership (takes furnitire for those unable to afford their own e.g. in council re-home situations) I invited to take various pieces turned up their noses at a perfectly good 3 piece suite ('old fashioned'), solid wood coffee table, chairs, beds (mattresses, unused but didn't have the right fire label) but did take some items.

- If I'd had more time I'd have listed items on Ebay, freecycle or forums llike this but I found it difficult to give stuff away!

So, I conclude if you can break something down and re-use it, do so, albeit I'd hesitate before doing so to something that's 'quality' but perhaps unfashionable.

P.S. I've hung onto 4 LV bowling balls, so may be on the hunt for a nearby turner :)
 
richarnold":2qtvl70e said:
I decided to try and save the situation by offering to buy the piece, so she could go and buy something more to her taste with the proceeds. So now every morning I awake to see this lovely little piece of British furniture history In our bedroom. I still shudder at the vision of her attacking it with an orbital sander and nitromores :roll:
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That's a super piece and it was a really great thing to do with it - a man of taste and discrimination.
As per my earlier post, it's quite likely that in a decade or so, folk will recognise quality and will be queuing up to buy it.
 
Mike.S":1om669gt said:
Since then I cleaned my glasses and realised that they weren't painted but inlaid i.e. pucker Edwardian (not repro). However, my point is I sent a picture to a reputable auction house which said:

"Very pretty.
These chairs look to be part of a salon suite.
Estimate £100-150
That estimate is for the set.
This style is in a bit of a dip at the moment and prices have fallen."

That low estimate came as a surprise, but reflects other posters experience. These were to be sold for my Dad but we've decided they're going in the loft - doesn't fit with our more contemporary furnishings - until fashions change in their favour.

That price is probably realistic, but it is an insult given the additional information about the chairs. Hang on to them - you won't regret it long term.
 
Well its about timje I added my pennies worth here, after being offline for a long spell.

I am a restorer and an antique dealers son, who after 40 years has a collection of "brown furniture" equal to that of the V & A's :?
AS a restorer, the market collapsed over 15 years ago, when dealers slowed right down in their buying of damaged furniture, the mentality
was and to many extent still today is buy clean and tidy furniture at low cost, that needs NO WORK, and sell after sitting on the shop floor
for a couple of years [ or more :( ]
So, to recap, brown furniture = oak,walnut, mahogany, any ebonised timber is not selling unless it is of museum quality and WITH FULL PROVENANCE !
Light timbers = birch,sycamore, satin walnut some of the more exotic timbers used in Arts and Crafts, Art Noveau and right upto the 1930's are selling at reasonable prices, and some of the European Biedermeyer style furniture is still looked on in favor by "interior designers" [ where's the emo for spitting ??? ]
As to the other question of breaking good quality antique furniture for the timber, well I 've been doing for 30 years and I know of other
restorers who have been doing it too, mainly for spare parts or to re model/ repair simeler furniture. As to breaking for the timber for the sake of having good quality timber has also been done for donkeys years.

hth,

Karl
 
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