Am I the only person depressed by the number of comments with gender or racial stereotypes in them?

[doctor Bob]

I don't read the jokes but I struggle big time to be woke.
I think deep down as an overall generilisation I dislike everybody, irrelevant of skin colour or nationality.

 

[D_W]

I'm always slightly mystified by this - could you point me to one?
Also I'm not sure what the expression "WOKE" is all about - it seems to emanate from the Daily Mail neck of the woods, means something to them but nothing to me.

Actually, I agree with garno. Whereas I'm just a grouch, I thought you were intentionally trolling, and I"m not saying that to *be a troll*, I thought you were just having a good time.

The here and there posts where you mention how offended you are just kind of leave me stunned. It would be kind of like me saying that, but I'm not trolling - just disagreeable on points.

 

[Trainee neophyte]

There is a phoney culture war created by the right wing media.

Really? I didn't know that: I genuinely thought that the "woke" Critical Race Theory was was a left wing, university driven thing. They even call themselves cultural marxists.

In a nutshell, Critical Race Theory (CRT) is a leftist academic theory which utilises neo-Marxist analysis to understand culture – and to change it. CRT is part of the broader Critical Theory that the Frankfurt School and cultural Marxists developed. Marxism has always been about power, but while economics was everything for the earlier Marxists, culture has now replaced that. So now we find everywhere power struggles within culture.

Or is it a right wing media conspiracy to point out that cultural Marxism is left wing? I freely admit to being confused by the whole mess of Critical Race Theory and its ironically racist anti-racism.

There is a definite attempt to control speech, and even thought, throughout our culture at the moment. The internet is a very powerful tool for mind control - enforcing groupthink through the use of ridicule, censorship, and outright exclusion to ensure only right thinking statements get aired. Speech should be free, even if it is uncomfortable to listen to. The idea that something should not be said just in case someone, somewhere, chooses to be offended is not good way to find the truth.

1984 was supposed to be a salutary warning, not an instruction manual.

 

[Amateur]

I wonder... am I alone in feeling there are too many comments that make generalisations about a particular group's ethnicity or gender and the forum mods should take stronger action? In the past 24 hours on the joke thread there's been a "joke" suggesting that women are better suited to a particular job and that black people speak a certain way and there have been plenty of others that have been removed. Those kind of comments are less prevalent elsewhere in the forum, but they do exist enough that I think if I were a black, female woodworker I might think this forum is not for me.

Yet you try to get it discussed with the most radical minds on the forum here as you well know they will bite, and then repeat the post to try to get more affect, when you need say nothing and press that report button, and stop watching that particular forum.
It would have been more appropriate to send a message directly to the mods to discuss with them rather than trying to open a can of worms here. IMO.

 

[danst96]

There is a phoney culture war created by the right wing media.

It's a handy deflection......let's all be angry about statues then we won't notice the govt giving out billions on bogus contracts.

Um, you got the wrong wing. The culture war is very much fueled by left wing, socialist and Marxist "educated" people. Many still in nappies.

For the record I'm yet to turn 25. Not that it makes any difference.

 

[Fitzroy]

The problem I have is how do you enable change when division is enthroned in our language and humour.

I work in an engineering (technical not manufacturing) industry and most of the work force is male. Is this because men have an inherently greater ability to engineer, of course not. Also we’re pretty good at employing a nearly equal mix of male and female, but 5 years in we have lost over a quarter of the females. Why is this? It’s likely many things but the poster over the sink stating “clean up after yourself your wife doesn’t come to work with you” is just a joke isn’t it!

I have two young sons and raising them has been fascinating. When one of them hurt themselves and started to cry my father called them out for being a little girl and to toughen up. At the local fair there was face painting with a queue for boys (soldier, spaceman, superhero) and one for girls (unicorn, butterfly, fairy). 95% of the kids stories with a hero, the hero is male. A boy is injured in a car accident along with his father who dies, on arriving at the hospital the surgeon explains they can’t operate on the boy as he is their son. *How is this possible?

Gender bias and sexism is engrained in our culture. People who are misogynists at heart hide behind the low level jokes and see them as permission for their own behaviour. The only way we will make the world a better place for all our daughters, and granddaughters is to cut out the issue every place we can. If we can’t get this right for 52% of the world’s population, we don’t stand a chance for the true minorities. This same idea applies to most of the equality and exclusion issues.

Change is uncomfortable, but sometimes we have to give something up for the greater good. Is that light hearted joke really that important to you?

Fitz.

*How many of you struggled with this when it’s easy? The surgeon is his mother!

 

[EddyCurrent]

I had a great time in the 60's and 70's things were so much simpler, or should I say, more sensible and less blurry.

 

[thetyreman]

people can hide behind jokes especially to bully others are often narcissistic in some way, but that's not what I'm encouraging, what I was talking about is how we are being censored massively unless it fits in with societal norms, this is happening in workplaces, schools, forums, everywhere, it's altering how we communicate in a really negative way because people are afraid they will insult somebody, that's a bad thing, we may even loose our sense of humour completely one day and become another species that no longer laughs at anything.

 

[doctor Bob]

what about the "P--dy with the 2 @r$e-holes" is that a no no?

Be a shame, that's a good un.

Can I replace P--dy with Henrietta ........................ loses a bit of it's value but may be woke enough.

 

[EddyCurrent]

Unless you've been around a while, patterns are not so easy to spot.
My view is that most ideas start off sensible but over time people add their own two penneth until the original idea is lost and it's now way off the rails.
Animals are far more sensible in that respect.

 

[doctor Bob]

Where do you draw the line? Stereotypes about different people are one of the common themes of humour. Do we ban southerners from making snarky remarks about northerners (and vice versa)?

Storm in a teacup, I reckon.

Jolly well said, sorry I mean "aye up chuck, thou has thumucks that throu"

 

[Jacob]

What set off this Daily Mail style hysteria in this thread? Very strange! Something must have frightened them.
What is "woke"? What is "the culture war"?
Why is TN taking such an interest in "Critical Race Theory"? Can't say I'd ever heard of it.
I looked up "Cultural Marxism" - seems its a loony right wing fringe thing
'Cultural Marxism': a uniting theory for rightwingers who love to play the victim | Jason Wilson
Interesting stuff all new to me! Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory - Wikipedia
The things you learn on a woodwork forum! Thanks for that chaps, makes it all worthwhile!

 

[doctor Bob]

What set off this Daily Mail style hysteria in this thread? Very strange! Something must have frightened them.

Can you show me the hysteria? or is it you whipping it up? whose "them".
I can't see hysteria, had a good look but definately can't see any, maybe that makes me a "them", might help if you clarified what "them" is.

Should I go to a doctor if I'm one of them, what are the symptoms of being a them?

 

[Ozi]

There's a clue in the title. "Joke thread"

Not to be taken seriously..

BTW I can't recall ever viewing it

I discovered years there are only two jokes,

And both got elected.

 

[artie]

Someone told me I was a racist a while back. I said so what.

They said it's illegal. I replied don't be daft.

After a bit of conversation I found out they actually believed it was illegal to be a racist.

What is the world coming to?

 

[Cheshirechappie]

Jolly well said, sorry I mean "aye up chuck, thou has thumucks that throu"

Git back under thi flagstone, tha soft southern jessie.

Glad Ah've got that off me chest. Right - Ah'm off to feed me whippet.

 

[Misterdog]

Plenty of abuse between remainers and brexiteers is that acceptable ?

 

[RobinBHM]

Really? I didn't know that: I genuinely thought that the "woke" Critical Race Theory was was a left wing, university driven thing. They even call themselves cultural marxists.



Or is it a right wing media conspiracy to point out that cultural Marxism is left wing? I freely admit to being confused by the whole mess of Critical Race Theory and its ironically racist anti-racism.

There is a definite attempt to control speech, and even thought, throughout our culture at the moment. The internet is a very powerful tool for mind control - enforcing groupthink through the use of ridicule, censorship, and outright exclusion to ensure only right thinking statements get aired. Speech should be free, even if it is uncomfortable to listen to. The idea that something should not be said just in case someone, somewhere, chooses to be offended is not good way to find the truth.

1984 was supposed to be a salutary warning, not an instruction manual.

all very interesting I'm sure....nothing to do with my post though.

Why do you persist with such dishonest debating techniques? Do you get a kick out of trolling?

 

[Ollie78]

Stereotypes are not from thin air.
Italians do talk with their hands a lot in comparison to many other people, whiskey is popular in Scotland, I live in the south west of england and I do in fact talk like a farmer according to people from other areas.

Many people do appear to be almost professionally offended these days. I think they should all watch some stand up comedy shows from the 70`s to the `90`s
Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy George Carlin, Bill Hicks, etc. Mockery and humour are a great thing which stops this newly prevalent woke circular thinking, its a reality check and a reminder to relax.

Ollie

 

[Jacob]

Someone told me I was a racist a while back. I said so what.

They said it's illegal. I replied don't be daft.

After a bit of conversation I found out they actually believed it was illegal to be a racist.

What is the world coming to?

Expression of aspects of racism certainly are illegal and quite right too. Racist and religious hate crime
There's been a big effort in recent years to right the wrongs of prejudice and race hate. About 400 years overdue in terms of black people but better late than never!