Would like to have met...

[Smudger]

Yes, they were. Politically primitive and uncivilised.

And a lot of people are today, as well. Knee-jerk answers are quick, simple and invariably wrong.

Powell's 'rivers of blood' haven't come about. There has been no revolution, or invasion. In fact, his prophecies were never about real life.

And he knew they never would be. He was a cynical and embittered man using the prejudices of people less educated and aware than himself to try to grab some power and influence, to ride on their hatreds to get what he wanted. Just like the BNP today, or Mosley in the 30s.

If you feel any attraction towards him then you have been duped as much as the poor saps who marched in favour of him were.

 

[Digit]

Yes, they were. Politically primitive and uncivilised.

And according to a report to the government recently the danger of violence between established immigrant communities and recent incomers is now serious.
And if that is your definition of civilised ****, and I don't necessarily dispute it, there are billions of uncivilised people in the world.
Just look at how many people are claiming asylum in this country to escape their uncivilised neighbours.

Roy.

 

[Smudger]

Powell claimed that there would be a bloody revolution in which the 'non-white races' took control of the country from the indigenous population. He claimed that by 1980 more than 50% of the population would be black. He claimed that the 'British Way of Life' would be swamped and extinguished.

That hasn't happened, and was never going to happen. It was scaremongering and hatemongering aimed at some of the least educated people in our society.

 

[Smudger]

Separate post for a separate point - yes, I do believe that there are many millions of uncivilised people in the world, and that some faith groups operate on lower standards than others - and especially than those of us who do not follow superstitions but try to see the best way for all to survive and thrive.

Dammit, I've been working with the uncivilised for 35 years!

 

[Maia28]

He claimed that by 1980 more than 50% of the population would be black. He claimed that the 'British Way of Life' would be swamped and extinguished.

Actually, using the Registrar-General's statistics he said that there would be 5 - 7 million immigrants by 2000, or 10% of the population. Not a bad guess as it happens. Some of us who don't live in London (or France) are begining to feel that the 'British Way of Life' has been extinguished.

Anyway, I should have known that someone would pick up on this, but I note no reference to Enoch's comments that he fealt that Indians where in many respects superior to Europeans. I'd still have liked to have met him as he appears to be more open minded that most people and now I'd like to judge for myself why he provokes such polarised opinion.

Andy

 

[Digit]

Goebbels argued that if you told a big enough lie often enough people would accept it.
Those regular readers of any of my posts, (if any) will be familiar with my love of history, and a study of history suggests that today's 'big lies' are that global warming is man made, when history tells us otherwise, and that immigration is good for us.
Without going into the morality of the subject, which is different, below is a list of countries where the indigenous populations have 'benefited' from mass immigration...
North America,
Central America,
The Carribian,
Southern America,
Southern Africa,
Central Africa,
Palestine,
Cyprus,
Macedonia,
Kosovo,
Bosnia,
Armenia,
Andaman Islands,
India,
Sri Lanka,
Tibet,
Malaysia,
Japan,
Australia,
Tasmania,
New Zealand,
Fiji,
Hawaii.
We, all of us, ignore history at our peril.

Roy.

 

[davegw]

Goebbels argued that if you told a big enough lie often enough people would accept it.
Those regular readers of any of my posts, (if any) will be familiar with my love of history, and a study of history suggests that today's 'big lies' are that global warming is man made, when history tells us otherwise, and that immigration is good for us.
Without going into the morality of the subject, which is different, below is a list of countries where the indigenous populations have 'benefited' from mass immigration...
North America,
Central America,
The Carribian,
Southern America,
Southern Africa,
Central Africa,
Palestine,
Cyprus,
Macedonia,
Kosovo,
Bosnia,
Armenia,
Andaman Islands,
India,
Sri Lanka,
Tibet,
Malaysia,
Japan,
Australia,
Tasmania,
New Zealand,
Fiji,
Hawaii.
We, all of us, ignore history at our peril.

Roy.

Just so we're clear Roy, you seem to be equating Immigration with Invasation and/or Colonisation?

 

[Digit]

From the viewpoint of the indigenous people or the incomers Dave?
What did the Aborigines think about British 'Colonists' I wonder, most of whom would now be classified as immigrants seeking a better life?

Roy.

 

[davegw]

I'd have thought the Aborigines saw the Brits as Invaders, and the Brits saw themselves as Colonists (those that went voluntarily of course). And I'd imagine that this is pretty much true of any mass migration event.

I'd also say that it was very different from the kind of economic migration that takes place more often today, and is certainly taking place in Britain. I certainly don't look at any immigrant into this country as either an invader or a colonist. In the same way I didn't describe my Aunt who emigrated to the US in the '70s as either of those, she is an economic migrant.

interestingly she now describes other immigrants who are more obvious than her (mexicans and asians) using the phase "invasion" as diluting HER american culture! And no she doesn't see the irony.

Personally I live in a town that is very Multicultural, and I come from East London, so I have lived around immigrants all of my life. I do think that they have added to the country, individually and culturally. There are some that don't "integrate", but generally these are 1st Generation, within a couple of generations integration is complete, and the culture is assimilated.

 

[Digit]

The Ozzy 'Colonists' in today's terms would be 'economic migrants' same to north America.
In other countries, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bosnia Fiji, Malaysia, Japan, etc the indigenous populations have been out bred by immigrants and conflict has resulted.
That is history, not a social standpoint, not a personal one nor one based on any political stance.
All of those conflicts, and the resulting deaths, would have been avoided without colonisation/immigration, and I have to add, the London bombings.

Roy.