Work Sharp from Rutlands...?

[brianhabby]

Has anyone got any opinions on this device that Rutlands are offering for £69.95? It seems like an inexpensive solution for sharpening things.

regards

Brian

 

[Benchwayze]

There used to bee a horizontal grinding stone. ISTR it was a wet-stone. But the Tormek came along, and the rest is as they say' Old News'!
This seems okay for the price I suppose... But what would I do with my Tormek?

regards
John

 

[brianhr]

I have one!
It produces a good edge but only at 25degrees and will not adjust to a honing bevel so you will also need your stone or whatever. That said it suits me fine as I don't need to sharpen my chisels that often.

 

[brianhabby]

There used to bee a horizontal grinding stone. ISTR it was a wet-stone. But the Tormek came along, and the rest is as they say' Old News'!
This seems okay for the price I suppose... But what would I do with my Tormek?

regards
John

Well if you've already got a Tormek ... you don't need one of these. I'm seriously considering it as an alternative as I can't afford a Tormek. I found myself needing a chisel but the set I normally use and keep sharpened had been left elsewhere. I had to put a primary bevel on an old beat up chisel using just a diamond stone as that's all I had - took me hours, and hard work, so I could really do with a better solution.

Unless anyone gives me a good reason not to, I think I'm going to order one of these Work Sharp devices from Rutlands.

I have one!
It produces a good edge but only at 25degrees and will not adjust to a honing bevel so you will also need your stone or whatever. That said it suits me fine as I don't need to sharpen my chisels that often.

That's what I was hoping someone would say. Getting a good primary bevel is where all the hard work is without a grinding system

regards

Brian

 

[Benchwayze]

Ok Brian.. NP. I was just commenting.
I was hoping someone would jog my memory on the make of the horizontal wet-stone as well! :mrgreen:



John :wink:

 

[dickm]

I was hoping someone would jog my memory on the make of the horizontal wet-stone as well! :mrgreen:

I think mine is called a "Lion" - there were several clones back in the 80s/90s. Good for planer blades with the right jig, although quite slow with the fitted wheel.

 

[studders]

Ok Brian.. NP. I was just commenting.
I was hoping someone would jog my memory on the make of the horizontal wet-stone as well! :mrgreen:



John :wink:

You mean Like This?

 

[brianhabby]

Ok Brian.. NP. I was just commenting.
I was hoping someone would jog my memory on the make of the horizontal wet-stone as well! :mrgreen:



John :wink:

You mean Like This?

But that's three times the price of the Work Sharp...

regards

Brian

 

[mailee]

I bought one last time they were on offer. They work well if you need to quickly sharpen a chisel (rough sharpen) I use them on my everyday chisels to put a quick edge on but still use my Sheppach Tiger for a good quality honing. HTH. I seem to remember there was a cheaper version of that horizontal wetstone grinder but can't remember the name of the company. B&Q used to sell their tools at one time I do remember that. :?

 

[fluffflinger]

Brian

For grinding a primary bevel quickly and without needing a trip to the bank I don't think you can beat an inverted belt sander, coarse belt and a simple jig. Then on to the honing method of your choice. Pretty sure it's been discussed on here a time or two.

Just my two pennies worth.

Regards

Richard

 

[Benchwayze]

When I take up a bit of turning once more, I shall have to get a proper bench-grinder, as turning tools need a touch on the stone more often than the 'flat-side' tools. Bench-grinders are ideal for this. They can also put the primary bevel on irons and chisels, and give a hollow ground 'bevel' if that's your bag.

These grinders usually have a rest that can be set to the required angle and fixed. You just have to learn how to keep the tool moving across the stone, to avoid overheating the edge. This knack soon comes. However, I can't say that a quality cool-running bench-grinder would be had for less than three figures.


HTH
John

 

[Mcluma]

I've got one, and it is always set up, so its easy toget at, very quick to use, very good results

A brilliant piece of kit

 

[knappers]

I bought this combo from Axminster yesterday :

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-awwsg-wetstone-grinder-prod809134/

And

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-adjustable-sharpening-rest-prod364782/

The jig is actually really nice - I can't see how the Veritas one would really be any better. The grinder is a bit cheap and cheerful, but I don't have the cash for a Creusen. The top "sled" of the jig also works very nicely in the knife serrations on the water container to give repeatable results on the wetstone - much like the way the Tormek Style bar works on the more expensive Axy wetstone model.

It helps that the pair only cost me £56 too...

Si.

 

[LuptonM]

I bought this combo from Axminster yesterday :

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-awwsg-wetstone-grinder-prod809134/

And

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-adjustable-sharpening-rest-prod364782/

The jig is actually really nice - I can't see how the Veritas one would really be any better. The grinder is a bit cheap and cheerful, but I don't have the cash for a Creusen. The top "sled" of the jig also works very nicely in the knife serrations on the water container to give repeatable results on the wetstone - much like the way the Tormek Style bar works on the more expensive Axy wetstone model.

It helps that the pair only cost me £56 too...

Si.

I have that grinder. The results with the Axminster jig are repeatable but rubbish. There is allot of slop in the fitting of the jig to the bar so grinding square is out the window (using the wet grinder). I think by the time/ money u get it to work, you might as well have bought a tormek ( you would have to buy the tormek square jig, the tormek diamond true tool making the complete package very expensive). Not only that the stone cuts slowly and cannot be graded unlike the tormeks and the plug under the water bath is annoying and often falls off. The fact that I would rather grind with sand paper and a honing jig has got to say something!!! However if u wanted a dry grinder in hindsight I would have got a wide wheel one

 

[Noel]

I bought this combo from Axminster yesterday :

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-awwsg-wetstone-grinder-prod809134/

And

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-adjustable-sharpening-rest-prod364782/

The jig is actually really nice - I can't see how the Veritas one would really be any better. The grinder is a bit cheap and cheerful, but I don't have the cash for a Creusen. The top "sled" of the jig also works very nicely in the knife serrations on the water container to give repeatable results on the wetstone - much like the way the Tormek Style bar works on the more expensive Axy wetstone model.

It helps that the pair only cost me £56 too...

Si.

I have that grinder. The results with the Axminster jig are repeatable but rubbish. There is allot of slop in the fitting of the jig to the bar so grinding square is out the window (using the wet grinder). I think by the time/ money u get it to work, you might as well have bought a tormek ( you would have to buy the tormek square jig, the tormek diamond true tool making the complete package very expensive). Not only that the stone cuts slowly and cannot be graded unlike the tormeks and the plug under the water bath is annoying and often falls off. The fact that I would rather grind with sand paper and a honing jig has got to say something!!! However if u wanted a dry grinder in hindsight I would have got a wide wheel one

Assuming I understand what you've said I've a feeling you're not using the Axminster jig correctly. The Veritas jig has the same "slop" and this is needed in order to engage the wheel, then you register the carrier on the rear side of the slot and a straight grind is very easy to achieve.

 

[LuptonM]

I bought this combo from Axminster yesterday :

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-awwsg-wetstone-grinder-prod809134/

And

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-adjustable-sharpening-rest-prod364782/

The jig is actually really nice - I can't see how the Veritas one would really be any better. The grinder is a bit cheap and cheerful, but I don't have the cash for a Creusen. The top "sled" of the jig also works very nicely in the knife serrations on the water container to give repeatable results on the wetstone - much like the way the Tormek Style bar works on the more expensive Axy wetstone model.

It helps that the pair only cost me £56 too...

Si.

I have that grinder. The results with the Axminster jig are repeatable but rubbish. There is allot of slop in the fitting of the jig to the bar so grinding square is out the window (using the wet grinder). I think by the time/ money u get it to work, you might as well have bought a tormek ( you would have to buy the tormek square jig, the tormek diamond true tool making the complete package very expensive). Not only that the stone cuts slowly and cannot be graded unlike the tormeks and the plug under the water bath is annoying and often falls off. The fact that I would rather grind with sand paper and a honing jig has got to say something!!! However if u wanted a dry grinder in hindsight I would have got a wide wheel one

Assuming I understand what you've said I've a feeling you're not using the Axminster jig correctly. The Veritas jig has the same "slop" and this is needed in order to engage the wheel, then you register the carrier on the rear side of the slot and a straight grind is very easy to achieve.

I am talking about the jig that comes with the ax minster wet grinder (fits on the Tomerk style bar) not the one supplied separately for use with the dry wheel.

 

[myturn]

I seem to remember there was a cheaper version of that horizontal wetstone grinder but can't remember the name of the company. B&Q used to sell their tools at one time I do remember that. :?

Rexon.

 

[wcndave]

I have this one http://www.rutlands.co.uk/workshop-...rpening-system/WS3000/the-wood-tool-sharpener which allows adjustable angle.

however for £69 with the knife adjustment you cannot go wrong! go for it... makes it very easy to keep things sharp on an ongoing basis instead of once a year dreaded "sharpen everything" session....

 

[brianhabby]

for £69 with the knife adjustment you cannot go wrong! go for it... makes it very easy to keep things sharp on an ongoing basis instead of once a year dreaded "sharpen everything" session....

My thoughts entirely - anyway, it's ordered so I'll report back when it arrives

regards

Brian

 

[tonytopman]

I have one!
It produces a good edge but only at 25degrees and will not adjust to a honing bevel so you will also need your stone or whatever. That said it suits me fine as I don't need to sharpen my chisels that often.

Hi,

I don't really understand the ins and outs of sharpening.

However I was going to spend £50 on a knife sharpener at Lakeland. At 75.00 delivered this seems better value as I could sharpen my tools as well.

Is there much "knack" to the stone to get to honing level after the machine has done its work ? How sharp would the tool be using the machine alone ?

Thanks.