Window's

[ByronBlack]

I don't know what the fuss is about. You build the windows to the right standard (depending on whether it is a repair or a replacement), and if it is a replacement, you pay the (small) fee for a building inspector to come around and flash his tool at the windows to make sure that you've done your bit to stop global warming. Big deal.

I think it is a big deal in the principle scheme of things. It's my house, I own it, I want to make some new windows, that should have nowt to do with any governmental sponsored jobsworth. If we extend the logic, will you be happy to have someone come round your house and 'sign' off your decorating to make sure you've used the correct paint? Or to ensure that the tiles are made from a sustainable source?

I understand your sentiment Jake, it's not that much of a bother in the long run, but it's the principle of it, it's yet another facet of our freedoms being infringed upon and yet another stealth 'tax' that we have to pay, it's just not right. We are way to over-regulated.

 

[devonwoody]

The next problem I have entailed with these b........s, I rang one of their offices last Monday and was told by an official that they are very busy on Mondays could I ring Tuesday or Wednesday. Serious.

 

[dirtydeeds]

devon woody

you shouldnt match them with ordinary working people. they have the easiest job in the world, they work for local government. stress is a problem local govenment takes VERY seriously and these people take every single advantage of it


dont ever bother ringing before 9 they are drinking coffee but no later than 9:45 when they start to move out

dont ring after 4 they are winding down for the day.

dont even bother on a friday afternoon

 

[Digit]

it's yet another facet of our freedoms being infringed upon and yet another stealth 'tax' that we have to pay,

Yep! I've been around for some time and I regret to say this is typical of all previous labour governments. Harold Wilson once boasted that he had passed 4000 laws in 18 mths. On the basis that 99.99% of laws are designed to stop you doing something I think he'd have been wiser to have kept his mouth shut!

 

[devonwoody]

Dirtydeeds
I expect it wont be long before we get a recorded spiel, something like.
"we will not tolerate our members being abused on this telephone line with contradictory replies to an answer given by our staff. This causes stress and will not be tolerated, you will have your conversation terminated by our staff putting down the telephone receiver, followed by a raspberry sound"

Now how to make a window was the original question of this thread gentlemen :wink:

 

[Digit]

David, Google 'window frames' also check a copy of the building regs. Your local library is required to hold a copy.

 

[devonwoody]

Making window frames is not a task to take on lightly I would have thought without the necessary machiney these days,(because of those regs. you will have to meet)

50 years ago I handmade windows for a leanto and used beadings and tenons but if done today would I'm sure get the boot from the misses and townhall.

 

[Karl]

Digit - i'll keep that one in mind - excellent !!!

Cheers

Karl

 

[Jake]

It's my house, I own it, I want to make some new windows, that should have nowt to do with any governmental sponsored jobsworth. If we extend the logic, will you be happy to have someone come round your house and 'sign' off your decorating to make sure you've used the correct paint? Or to ensure that the tiles are made from a sustainable source?

I am entirely unmoved. It's in good cause, and comparing it to decorating is a Daily Mail analogy. You'll still save a bundle by making your own, there's a special low fixed rate for the window inspections.

 

[mister henderson]

You'll still save a bundle by making your own,

Now that is a statement that needs some support, bearing in mind that windows are complicated structures and even if the maker provides his time for free it will not be easy to compete with specialist workshops that are set up to do this.

 

[RogerS]

You'll still save a bundle by making your own,

Now that is a statement that needs some support, bearing in mind that windows are complicated structures and even if the maker provides his time for free it will not be easy to compete with specialist workshops that are set up to do this.

It depends on how important aesthetics are. Most 'modern' windows mass-produced are made strictly according to the regs..which in turn means massively oversized frames, glazing bars etc to cater for the thick double glazed units. End result - especially on a small window - is that the ratio of actual glass to wood is down around 25%. At least, that is what they look like to me. An eyesore.

If you make your own then you can, with an understanding BCO, go with thinner stock, glazing bars in proportion and a 4-6-4 spacing on the windows. A u-value of 2.5 as opposed to 2.0 as mandated by the regs. Of course, this may possibly be of more relevance to an older property.

Back to the OP, wasn't there an excellent thread made by jfc on making windows? Yup - found it - https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/view ... ows#205631

 

[Jake]

I meant as compared to purpose made joinery rather than the cheap stuff from the likes of Jeld-Wen.

At getting on for a thousand pounds a pop, or thereabouts (in my area at least) for a high quality made to measure timber sash then, yes, I think you can save plenty of money.

That assumes, yes of course, that you value your time at zero, like any DIYer does - except perhaps if they are self-employed and there is a genuine opportunity cost.

There's a firm local to me that churns out made to measure stuff for £250 a window or less, but they look very cheap and nasty. Lightweight fast grown knotty pine, horrible torus mouldings, etc. I don't think you could save money as against that.