Who has taken them!

[Jacob]

There is a danger of post rationalising Brexit. I do not believe it was anticipated at the time it would expose the very real weaknesses that with hindsight should have been evident:

It was anticipated and loudly shouted over and over again that we needed the workforce and that immigration is (and always has been) a huge boon to the economy and to society.
The main failing I thought was with the left being too timid and with the Unions failing to protect wages and conditions for the working population including immigrants. The Unions too were under the influence of the mealy mouthed nationalism emanating from Farage and his ilk.
PS and of course the tories just exploiting whichever way the political wind seemed to be blowing.

 

[GregW]

Luckily the EU is large enough to be able to re-absorb all the returning Europeans who became disgruntled and peeved about not being wanted by the country they had legitimately made their home in. Fortunately it is also large enough to absorb the British citizens who also became disgruntled and peeved at their homeland being taken over by a bunch of small minded nationalists and chose to leave too.

Only until money they saved while working within capitalism start to end in post-socialism like Poland than they will be calling HMHO how to get late settlement

 

[GregW]

It was anticipated and loudly shouted over and over again that we needed the workforce and that immigration is (and always has been) a huge boon to the economy and to society.
The main failing I thought was with the left being too timid and with the Unions failing to protect wages and conditions for the working population including immigrants. The Unions too were under the influence of the mealy mouthed nationalism emanating from Farage and his ilk.
PS and of course the tories just exploiting whichever way the political wind seemed to be blowing.

Solution :

 

[Trainee neophyte]

Europe crushed by economic forces of globalism? I wouldn't have thought so.

Europeans are mostly crushed by Germany, which includes German workers interestingly enough.

Edit: I worded that poorly - I mean that german workers have been exploited too (reunification caused wage supression and euro zone entry for Germany at the wrong rate meant that European manufacturing was kneecapped - except in Germany, obviously.

 

[Jacob]

Europeans are mostly crushed by Germany, which includes German workers interestingly enough.

Are you sure? I thought German workers were doing OK with much better wages, pensions than us, that being the reason that very few Germans turn up here to do low paid jobs, as far as I know.
PS and cheaper housing

 

[Jacob]

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[RobinBHM]

Are you sure? I thought German workers were doing OK with much better wages, pensions than us, that being the reason that very few Germans turn up here to do low skill jobs, as far as I know.
PS and cheaper housing

Yeah but TN lives in Greece so he hates Germans and the EU…..I mean it mustve been Germany’s fault that Greece used to be so awash with corruption nobody paid any taxes.

 

[RobinBHM]

I suspect the Border Agency can tell us very accurately where entrants to the UK have come from as all passports are scanned on arrival.

They might’ve done until UK left Schengen information system and Europol….we might know where they’ve come from not if they are crims

 

[TominDales]

Europe crushed by economic forces of globalism? I wouldn't have thought so.

The effect of highly efficient manufacturing and destitution is felt everywhere, in Europe, US, UK Asia, I've been in manufacturing for nearly 40 years and seen the relentless pressure to innovate or reduce cost, it was initially felt by exporting industries, but increasingly the service sector suppling exporters feel the downward pressure on costs from across the globe. The amazon effect where global scale in supply will sweep away smaller local enterprises. Most European towns are littered with carcases of old manufacturing assets. Last month I drove to Pisa airport past an old St Goban glass works derelict and decaying. Even in Germany an exporting nation there is this relentless pressure. Because Germany joined the Euro with quite a high exchange rate they faced 6 years of belt tightening from 2000 to 2005/6 when a relentless drive on cost and productivity closed the currency gap, but East Germany has struggled to keep up. Northern Europe, ie Germany, Netherlands and the Nordics have been shielded to some extent by a comparatively weak Euro as its exchange rate is partly offset by southern European economies. But that has left southern Europe really exposed to a productivity and strong currency trap.
One thing that may surprise people is salaries in the EU are quite low, especially after tax. I employed two doctors from Germany as there was a surplus and in Germany and UK salaries for professionals are much higher than in France and Germany.

 

[Fitzroy]

From what I've read, over the years, there are no more weirdos or perverts about now than there were 50 years ago.

That is my understanding as well. However, it's hard to compare statistics over this long a period for many crimes.

For murder the UK rate has averaged around 1.0 - 1.2 per 100,000 population, even for this very obvious outcome the long term statistics can't be compared as the early date is for Engaland & Wales, and Scotland separate, the most recent data is UK as a whole. In the 70-80s you were nearly twice as likely to be murdered in Scotland. Oh, goodness why did I move here!

For **** the statistics are very hard to compare as during this period reporting is believed to have increased substantially as 'social acceptance' has declined and **** inside marriage became illegal, it wasn't a crime before 1992!

Overall though you are at way higher risk of death from many other things, 30-40 people per 100k die from avoidable injuries for example.

The ease of access to information means we hear about many more crimes than we used to and has in my opinion skewed our perception of the actual risk.

F.

 

[Fitzroy]

 

[baldkev]

Support your local food bank?

Yes i do... ive also fixed a roof leak for them and delivered a 1 year old freezer that a customer wanted to sell ( i was doing a kitchen and there wasnt any spare space for storage, so suggested the food bank and customer agreed to donate it )

 

[Jacob]

Yes i do... ive also fixed a roof leak for them and delivered a 1 year old freezer that a customer wanted to sell ( i was doing a kitchen and there wasnt any spare space for storage, so suggested the food bank and customer agreed to donate it )

Well done, and more than I've done! But better if these people had higher wages and benefits so they don't end up dependent on charity.

 

[Daniel2]

Simply giving people more money can never be the solution.

 

[Jacob]

Simply giving people more money can never be the solution.

If the problem is lack of money then it is the solution. Would a diagram help?
What would you give them instead? Careers advice?

The general assumption that poor people don't need more money but better off people do, is very very strange.

Brexit no help either: Food banks warn of smaller parcels due to HGV supply shortages

 

[Daniel2]

Careers advice ? Yes, why not ?
Followed up with some personal finance management lessons,
and finished off with a nice cold shower of managing expectations
and rationalising that sense of entitlement.
.... For starters.

 

[doctor Bob]

What would you give them instead?

I'd find a real dull old socialist, make him give a 40hr week online lecture on the merits of anti capitalism. If you don't work you have to watch it on repeat week in week out. Obviously even the unemployed have to have a break so 4 weeks a year the lecture would be on the merits of linseed oil paint.
That would soon get them back to work and realise that having a bit of dough is quite nice.

 

[Daniel2]

 

[Jacob]

Careers advice ? Yes, why not ?
Followed up with some personal finance management lessons,
and finished off with a nice cold shower of managing expectations
and rationalising that sense of entitlement.
.... For starters.

Good idea. Could distribute estate agent brochures amongst the homeless too. Why has nobody thought of that?

 

[flying haggis]

If the problem is lack of money then it is the solution. Would a diagram help?
What would you give them instead? Careers advice?

The general assumption that poor people don't need more money but better off people do, is very very strange.

Brexit no help either: Food banks warn of smaller parcels due to HGV supply shortages

And I wonder how many users of food banks REALLY need to be there?? Or is it a case of "if its given away for free then people will come" How many checks are done to ensure the system isnt abused, people turning up in large cars etc.