which table saw?

[Orcamesh]

hi folks, after 12 years of woodworking i am finally in a position to buy and house a TS. I have previously got by by using every other type of saw under the sun! I have a single garage space and plan to replace my RAS with said TS. I am looking at scheppach ts4020 because i think it's good value. But concerned about space when using sliding table. I will need to put this on wheels. I guess others are in similar space constrained wshops and manage? I hope someone can give some advice please? Cheers hawkmoth

 

[OPJ]

I'm sure others will be along shortly to recommend the 10in. SIP model...!

In theory, if you're only cross-cutting solid timber for furniture, you could make a sled the rides in your mitre slot instead of using the sliding table. Actually, you could probably cut small sheets of ply and MDF accurately like this as well.

Steve Maskery did a very good one in the current issue of British Woodworking magazine.

 

[big soft moose]

my feeling is that even the 10inch sip will be too big in a single car garage shop - i have a shop that size which is why i am buying a kity 419 (from ed)

i think woodbloke said he was going to be selling his 419 shortly if thats any help.

 

[wizer]

I have a single car garage and a SIP 10" would fit in. However, I have too much other stuff (like the world's biggest lathe) that it doesn't make it viable. If the lathe wasn't there then the SIP or similar sized saw would fit in no problem.

I'm guessing after years of 'using every other saw under the sun' you're ready fro a proper saw. In which case I'd seriously consider the SIP or the Axminster equiv (although I doubt you can fit the sliding table in as well).

 

[Chems]

I vote for the 10" SIP, get it without the sliding table nice big surface to work on with a crosscut sled.

 

[woodsworth]

I vote for the 10" SIP, get it without the sliding table nice big surface to work on with a crosscut sled.

I second that unless you can afford the 12". I think the sliding tables are only good when you are actually getting a panel saw. They are considerably more then a table saw for obvious reasons.

I think the 12" would be better if you do a lot of solid stock work and cuts 4" with power to spare. The specs are higher on the saw meaning it will last you a life time of use. One purchase should be enough!

I also don't like the table top of the scheppach. It isn't cast iron and when you see second hand ones for sale you can see the wear. I also went to see one in person because i seriously considered that saw as well. When i went to adjust the angle of the blade the whole carriage dropped and i had to struggle to get it back. They just aren't as well made as you'd think for the price.

I've not seen a SIP in person, but just from the pictures they look quite a bit more substantial then others in the price range. I'd actually like to try one out before i order mine. I hate getting something and being disappointed.[/quote]

 

[Chems]

The 12" models tables are quite a bit bigger as well and would require a dedicated 16amp socket I think. So you'll need a good bit of space and some extra wiring for the 12". Maliee has one and loves it.

 

[OPJ]

my feeling is that even the 10inch sip will be too big in a single car garage shop - i have a shop that size which is why i am buying a kity 419 (from ed)

i think woodbloke said he was going to be selling his 419 shortly if thats any help.

Pete, hopefully you'd already seen and enquired about this before but, I noticed earlier that there was a guy in the back of British Woodworking this month selling a 419 for £130!! :shock: I think he was in West Hants.? Chances are, it's probably long gone by now, at that price.

If one could live with the 60mm depth of cut then, by all means, I'd agree with you. Another option for a small 'shop (and I dare saw I may even do this one day... :?) would be to buy one of those 'portable' saws with the telescopic extensions. They're bound to be a bit noisier and it depends on what exactly you want to do with your saw but, the Makita 2704 looks interesting.

 

[Digit]

I'm sure others will be along shortly to recommend the 10in. SIP model...! Very Happy

Nah!!

I'd actually like to try one out before i order mine. I hate getting something and being disappointed

I agree! Where are you?

Roy.

 

[woodsworth]

I agree! Where are you?

in da nort of wales.

Not to far from chester area

So you'll need a good bit of space and some extra wiring for the 12"

I have a bit of room to profligate

Electrics aren't much of a problem either.

 

[Digit]

I'm in west Wales, just north of Cardigan. If you get down this far you can try mine.

Roy.

 

[woodsworth]

A bit of a ways for a day trip! But the offer is well appreciated. thanks

 

[Orcamesh]

Thanks for all your input.

So looks like I need to go and look at SIP saws or equivalents to see if they might work in a single garage. My garage has an extra 300mm of width over a standard garage, and although this is only a marginal difference it can make a difference on some tasks. The workshop (garage) is already full of other kit so space is tight, but the RAS which it will replace is no smaller than say a Scheppach 4020 top so tis only the sliding arm which may be an issue, but as some of you have said I can make a sled. The RAS takes up quite a bit of real estate.

Point taken on the Scheppach table top, thanks Woodsworth.

As for separate supply I have a separate RCD distribution box in garage, so have capacity to wire in another feed. It is unlikely I will ever have anything else on at same time as saw, apart from dust extractor.

cheers
HM

 

[jedmc571]

Might I suggest the Record TS200c ?

As a garage woodworker, I find it fantastic, and really powerful, has a sliding table and wheelkit, and well put together, and with a 5 year guarantee, it ticks all the boxes for me.

Had mine about 5 weeks now and I love it.

Cheers

Jed

 

[wizer]

Have a look at my other thread "Perfect Workshop Layout", It sounds like we have a similar size floor space. You'd be surprised what you can get in. If I didn't have a gigantic lathe, I'd go for a SIP, sans slider, no question. As it stands, I have an Axminster TS200 and I've had to do a lot of work on it to get it running well and still more to go. It's over priced for what it is and you'd be much better going for a good machine from the start. Anything below the SIP is not worth looking at IMHO and I've looked at them all, a good few times.

 

[Jake]

Point taken on the Scheppach table top, thanks Woodsworth.

He's a few years behind the times unless you are looking at second-hand machines, they do have cast iron tops and have for quite a while.

Not that there was anything wrong with the old ones IMO.

 

[Chems]

Have a look at my other thread "Perfect Workshop Layout", It sounds like we have a similar size floor space. You'd be surprised what you can get in. If I didn't have a gigantic lathe, I'd go for a SIP, sans slider, no question. As it stands, I have an Axminster TS200 and I've had to do a lot of work on it to get it running well and still more to go. It's over priced for what it is and you'd be much better going for a good machine from the start. Anything below the SIP is not worth looking at IMHO and I've looked at them all, a good few times.

You don't need a lathe tom! Get rid and get a SIP

 

[woodsworth]

He's a few years behind the times unless you are looking at second-hand machines, they do have cast iron tops and have for quite a while.

unless they changed them since christmas perhaps. I went to a shop over the christmas holiday in hopes to buy me a stocking stuffer but after seeing that i decided to go american. But the cost is high for that so now i'm looking at possibly the SIP and if that fails the test then it will be a Delta unisaw, no questions asked.

 

[wizer]

You don't need a lathe tom! Get rid and get a SIP

Too late Chems. I'm addicted. I absolutely love turning. This past couple of months where I've been a bit too feeble to work on the lathe, has been agonising. It's the thing I've wanted to get back to using the most. I'm starting to feel better but I've really got to get this JBox done (fat chance, pigs may fly, etc).

 

[John McM]

For extremely efficient workshop layout I highly recommend this 2 part article and video

http://www.workbenchmagazine.com/main/w ... hop01.html

and this podcast,


http://www.woodworkingonline.com/2007/0 ... home-shop/