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Vormulac

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Hi folks,

I know opinion tends to be divided on the utility of combination planes, but I have to admit I really rather like them (must be the engineer in me or something!). I only have the one, a Stanley 50S which I bought more because it looked interesting than anything else, but it has made me more curious about the other ones out there; a glance at ebay will reveal a raft of different types and models and they all look fabulously intricate and fiddly, with lots of bits sticking out at odd angles - great! :D

My question to those of you out there who know about such things, is which ones are actually considered to be any good? I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a 'good' one, but I don't really know the difference!

I'd like to know what you think.

Cheers!

Vormulac.
 
Generally speaking, I need *very* little encouragement when it comes to the acquisition of shiny kit :D (I'm not sure which winds SWMBO up the most, the shiny kit I buy or the amount of research I do before I get it :lol: )

V.
 
Vormulac":35yuwicj said:
Generally speaking, I need *very* little encouragement when it comes to the acquisition of shiny kit :D (I'm not sure which winds SWMBO up the most, the shiny kit I buy or the amount of research I do before I get it :lol: )

V.

And there was me thinking it was just that did that :)
 
This needs to be handled delicately to attain maximum velocity down The Slope - I will return after lunch when I have the proper time available to devote to it... :wink:

Cheers, Alf
 
Alf":25r5znb6 said:
This needs to be handled delicately to attain maximum velocity down The Slope - I will return after lunch when I have the proper time available to devote to it... :wink:

Cheers, Alf

Oh no she is at it again
(I think I will turn the computer off for a week or so 8-[ :wink: )
 
Et voilà. I go, I come back.

First up you will (naturally) have taken advantage of the copious amounts of info available online, readily accessible via the Shrine to the Boat Anchor? A passing familiarity with the manuals of the most popular models can often make the decision for you. That's if you really mean it about only getting one...

Secondly, which are "good" is a horribly personal thing. It not only depends on what the individual user prefers in terms of weight, fiddliness etc, but also the state of the individual examples of models they may have tried. Viz: exposure to an unusable 050 with warped skates, wonky fence rods and so forth is liable to make Woodworker A vehemently dislike the 050, despite all Woodworker B's ringing endorsements.

My own personal nadir of awfulness in combination planes is an example of the intensely gizmotic Stanley #55. By sheer bad luck it turned out to have a full house of manufacturing cock-ups from which to choose and is still awaiting some work before I can make it useable. Had it been my first or second exposure to combination planes, I'd have likely given them up as a bad job and gone and bought another router instead, thus ending up on a quite different Slope. Certainly #55s as a whole would have been ranked as planes no sane galoot should wot of. And yet there are knowledgable, and indeed money-earning, woodworkers out there who wouldn't like to be without one.

Anyway, the 50S has introduced you to the wunnerful world of grooves, dadoes etc I believe, so the next logical step is upwards towards a full 50 or beyond and the joys of beads and so forth, rather than "down" to a 044 or 043. Right, putting aside the modern versions 'cos I can never remember the numbers, that leaves us with the most obvious and available Stanleys 50, 45 and 55, Record 050(A), 405 and the Lewin. I personally have a soft spot for the Lewin, but it's not to everyone's taste and it can be tricky to get one with all the parts and not too hammered, especially since some silly person put together a webpage on it. #-o

I hope it doesn't offend our 'Murrican membership, but generally speaking the Record examples are just that bit better in small but significant places, so I'd be inclined towards them. If you like the 50S, you may want to stick with that same sort of size and go with the Record 050. Personally (again) I prefer a little more weight and would go for the 405 - that'll give you sash, beads, ovolos, reeds (the latter ones if you can get hold of/make some) and is generally a pretty good all rounder IMO.

However, if you want to go off the gizmocity scale and tackle many and varied mouldings, the #55 (or Sargent #1085 if you happen to find one) is really your only viable option, but it's quite a lot to get your head round and they ain't cheap. There's also, as I've found, a lot that can go wrong with one, so I hesitate to actually recommend it.

Having said all that, you could stay on the same lines as the 50S but go skewed and consider a #46. Excellent for cross grain work and many people love them - but oddly enough I've yet to be fully smitten by it.

Thus it is, as I say, rather a personal thing as to which are good. One of each is probably the safest way... :wink:

Cheers, Alf
 
Mirboo":3c5ti6eu said:
Alf":3c5ti6eu said:
One of each is probably the safest way... :wink:

Only one??? :lol:
I told you - delicate handling. It's no good striking before the fish has the hook firmly in its mouth. :whistle: :lol:

Cheers, Alf

Who only has one of each. Except for a couple of incomplete spares that simply don't count, okay? :lol:
 
I have the Record #405, Stanley #45 and Stanley #50 (only one of each :whistle: ). I much prefer using the #405 and #45 to the #50 - they are heavier and I think that makes them work better, although some people seem to prefer the lightness of the #50. It pays to look around. They can be expensive but I managed to pick up my #45 for £45 and the #405 for £20. They were both complete except for a couple of cutters.

Cheers :wink:

Paul
 
I like the combo planes myself. I started with a Sergant 1080 which is kinda like a 45, but it has problems. Then I grabbed a 45, then a 46, a Rapier 043 clone and finally the 55. Only one of each so far. My favorite is the 46. The skew makes everything easier, but it was also the most expensive. I just got the 55 with an almost complete set of cutters, and am looking forward to trying it out. It even came with a manual which I feel I am going to need. :shock:

One of the good things about the 043 and clones is that they will accept most any of the other combo blades (mostly plow though). But it seems like a really neat plane to experiment with. I've seen these go for pretty cheap over on your guy's side of the pond. I got my Rapier in the UK for 5 or 6 pounds.
 
I have a Record 45 and am pleased as punch with it. Well worth buying one in my opinion
 
Paul Chapman":2ph7allm said:
JesseM":2ph7allm said:
a Sergant 1080 a 45, then a 46, a Rapier 043 clone and finally the 55.

Now that's a gloat :lol:

Cheers :wink:
Paul

Perhaps I have been getting a tad bit carried away. You can blame Jake for inspiring me. BTW I made one of Jake's dovetail blades that was sent off to the heat treater, and it should be back this week. I can't wait to try it out.
 
Thanks all, especially Alf. I was under the impression that the 50s was the same as the 50 but not supplied with the beading cutters? Sounds like I'm probably wrong there :)
I, too, prefer a slightly heavier tool, so the Record 405 sounds like it might be worth keeping my eyes peeled for.
I'm going to hit the web and see what I can find :D

I'll keep you infoooooorrrrrmmmmmeeeeddddd..................

(who put that ruddy slope there?)
 

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