wheres Jeffinfrance gone

[cutting solutions]

I wanted to send a reply to one of his old pm's but they have all disappeared.
and cant see any recent posts.
thanks
Doug

 

[Froggy]

He posted a reply to this thread Doug https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/post ... ht=#496340 If not I think I've his email address somewhere.

 

[jasonB]

If you go to the Memberlist you can find him there and send a PM

BTW hes on page 137

Jason

 

[9fingers]

Doug,

I've just seen a recent post from JeffinFrance in the general section if you still need to contact him.

Bob

 

[jeffinfrance]

still here doug,

thanks for sending over those samples.

i will reply when i have the time it deserves.

sorry but still playing catchup after all the delays.

jeff

 

[cutting solutions]

I believe the time it deserves is to say that the tongue and groove joint was exactly what is should have been.

 

[jeffinfrance]

the consensus here is that those cutters you supplied were sh*te.

lets not wash your dirty undies in public eh!

 

[cutting solutions]

I thought you might say that.
below are some images.
two of a timber sample run from the knives you ordered. its the same as the samples I sent to you.
the other is one of the knives with a straight edge under the knife.
now I cant see anything wrong with the profile. Indeed the joinery company I asked to run the timber samples said how good it was for standard tongue and groove flooring.

Perhaps others may see whats wrong but I cant.

 

[jasonB]

Any chance of actually seeing what the T&G goes together like as thats what its all about, very hard to judge otherwise and need to ensure the face edge does not get swapped around

Also the knife does not look to be at right angles to the straight edge, maybe a pic with a trisquare would be better, though it could be the camera angle.

Jason

 

[cutting solutions]

Jason
How would the timber look square as it does in the images if the knife wasnt straight?
I will cut up the small piece I have and show you the joint tomorrow.
though Jeff could have done that as he has two samples I posted to him nearly 2 weeks ago.
And yes you are correct to make sure the face edge doesnt get swapped around.

 

[jasonB]

Jason
How would the timber look square as it does in the images if the knife wasnt straight?
.

If I hold a clear plastic setsquare upto my screen with one side aligned to the top of the sample then both ends slope inwards in an exagerated "V" . Now this may well be camera distortion or it may be what Jeff was worried about - the cutting edge not being at rightangles to the side of the knife which means the cut is not perpendicular to the spindle table unless it was tweaked on a tilting spindle.

Interesting that you say your joinery firm thought it was good for flooring. When this issue first came up I said that I had known of flooring T&G cutters giving slight releaf to the underside of the profile which makes the visible top of the joint easier to close up. But if Jeff whants to use this cutter for situations where both sides of the joint will be seen then it looks like it will produce a tight joint on one face and a gap on the other, or if clamped up tight some cupping as its a bit like coopering the edges.

The pic with the straight edge is irelevant its the angle between the side of the knife and the cutting edge that is the issue here.

Jason

 

[cutting solutions]

Jeff wanted traditional flooring which has the good side up and gap on the underside..

STANDARD CUTTERS AND PROFILE!

Please do not insult me by suggesting the spindle was tweaked?????

thats not possible and you know it!

Ask Jeff to tell you what the joint samples are like!

 

[jasonB]

Jeff wanted traditional flooring which has the good side up and gap on the underside..

Then I see no problem whatsoever with the cutter and what it produces, I did not get the impression that Flooring was the only use Jeff had in mind.

Didn't mean it to read that you had your joiners tweak the cut, I meant to say that the only way the cut could be made perpendicular was to tilt the spindle.

I'll consider this closed as the cutter does what was asked of it.

Jason

 

[big soft moose]

Also the knife does not look to be at right angles to the straight edge, maybe a pic with a trisquare would be better, though it could be the camera angle.

Jason

I think it is - if you look at the holes the same ammount of straight edge is showing in both - the reason is appears not to be is that is an optical illusion caused by the straigt edge not being at vright angles to the edge of the photo

 

[jeffinfrance]

the cutting edge IS NOT SQUARE WITH THE BLOCK. it's 1mm out top to bottom.

let it go doug.

you suplied me with a product i was not happy with.

i returned it.

i've since purchased cutters from trend, which as it happens are perfectly square and, after i filed down the limiters which were too big, work fine.

i can also turn over a board to make the most of off cuts as well!

i can also use them to joint boards!

i can also use them to lip veneered panels!

i think it's clear where i'll be buying my cutters in the future.

end of story.

goodbye doug.

jeff

 

[Chems]

Well if I ever need the services cutting solutions provide I'd have no doubt using them after seeing these threads.

CS dedication to resolve the problem is excellent. Its like that old adage, the sign of a good workman is not how good the workmanship is but how well the mistakes are corrected. It doesn't seem like there was a mistake here but if there had been CS would have fixed it.

My 2cents, good quality service providers are hard to come buy but we seem to have a few good ones here, CS, Ian from Tuff saws, Axminster . . . Rutlands Much better than Titman tools who didn't even reply to my PM.

 

[Mr Ed]

I have just bought 3 saw blades from Doug and I comment based on this one experience. From Cutting Solutions I received;

- excellent pre-sales advice
- great quality saw blades at a reasonable price
- next working day delivery without paying a penny in advance

I have no connection with Doug, but feel its right to praise good service from specialist companies when I get it. I don't know the facts of Jeff's cutters, nor do I wish to engage in that debate, but there are always two viewpoints to every circumstance. In my case I got everything I expected with both the service and the product.

That is all

Ed

 

[cutting solutions]

Thank you for the support messages guys.
From the sorry start of this I should have realised there may be problems.

Its a shame Jeff cant see why the cutters are in fact correct. I have a few feelings on that but will not air them here. Jeff the cutters are suppose to be 1 mm out top to bottom that is the traditional T&G profile. If you wanted something else you should have stated. they are not on an angle. if you took the time to look at the wood samples I sent you and have shown images on here you will see that the joints are perfectly correct,, sqaure and at 90 degree angles. Traditional T&G has a close fitting top face and a gap underneath. when machining its called "good side up"

If any one wants some TCT T&G cutters suited to pin type cutterheads I may have a bargain set going. Please bear in mind that the profile is T&G as produced by most Timber Mills.

I would be quite happy for the mods to lock this thread as the whole situation leaves a bad taste.

I shall continue to offer free advise to those that ask and need it.