Trend Tenion & Mortise jig

[Anonymous]

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Hey, Jacob! What about the Woodrat then? :wink:

Cheers, Alf

Wossat den? Does it have long yellow teeth and leave droppings in the pantry? I expect it does.

cheers
Jacob

 

[Shivers]

Even Shivers' calculator is out of whack!

Checked my calculator & it's working fine!.
I really oughtta get another second hand one.

regards.

 

[Philly]

Jacob
This topic is about the Trend M+T jig. Go back and read the first posting.
Sadly, your opinion is well known by most members of the forum as you like to air it, regardless of the topic being discussed. Your single minded approach is just the thing for discouraging newcomers.
As for disapproving from the sidelines - I have 4000 posts under my belt. I like to help out where I can and is appropriate.
Philly

 

[andy@trend]

OK sorry I withdraw "rip-off" and substitute "complete waste of money". This is in comparison with the alternative ways of making M&Ts.
Looking at the prices filsgreen noted it looks like you could do much better than "entry level" real morticer for the price of a Trend jig (+ expensive tooling).
For the ludicrous price of a Leigh jig (+ very expensive tooling) you could buy a reasonable table saw as well and think about binning the router for ever :lol:
Actually I kept mine (Black & Decker made by Trend I think) as I do find a need for it once in a blue moon.

cheers
Jacob

Everyones entitled to an opinion,

You still can't produce angular and compound angular M&T's easily with a standard Mortiser,

Sorry to dissapoint you, Trend haven't made any routers for B&D I'm afraid.

Trend (a British Family Firm) brought Elu to the UK in 1955 as an independent company and Elu was then purchased by Black & Decker (a Huge American Company), both companies worked closely together and Trend made a number of accessories for B&D until Elu was rebranded to DeWalt, both companies still operate totally seperately but work closely together on certain products.

Sorry for the history lesson, but just wanted to clarify !

andy@trend

 

[Anonymous]

Jacob
This topic is about the Trend M+T jig. Go back and read the first posting.
Sadly, your opinion is well known by most members of the forum as you like to air it, regardless of the topic being discussed. Your single minded approach is just the thing for discouraging newcomers.
As for disapproving from the sidelines - I have 4000 posts under my belt. I like to help out where I can and is appropriate.
Philly

I read the first post.
I'm advising him to spend the money elswhere.
I think this is good advice.
He'll make up his own mind anyway.
I see nothing remotely objectionable in any of that and have no idea what you are complaining about, other than that you don't agree with my advice.
In which case perhaps you should advise him differently instead of just complaining, which is completely pointless AFAICS.

cheers
Jacob

 

[Shivers]

Trend (a British Family Firm) brought Elu to the UK in 1955 as an independent company and Elu was then purchased by Black & Decker (a Huge American Company), both companies worked closely together and Trend made a number of accessories for B&D until Elu was rebranded to DeWalt, both companies still operate totally seperately but work closely together on certain products.

Sorry for the history lesson, but just wanted to clarify !

andy@trend

Andy are trend anything to do with freud in the usa --as the letter designs are exactly the same,i noticed the similarities a few years ago but never found out if they were connected.


regards.

 

[Nick W]

Jacob,

I'm afraid that, for me at least, its not so much what you say as how you say it, and how often.

 

[Anonymous]

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Trend (a British Family Firm) brought Elu to the UK in 1955 as an independent company and Elu was then purchased by Black & Decker (a Huge American Company), both companies worked closely together and Trend made a number of accessories for B&D until Elu was rebranded to DeWalt, both companies still operate totally seperately but work closely together on certain products.

Sorry for the history lesson, but just wanted to clarify !

andy@trend

I'm sure you are right. The B&D S100 router was ELU perhaps? It's a long time since I bought it but I remember that at the time it was identical to another better brand model.

cheers
Jacob

 

[Anonymous]

Jacob,

I'm afraid that, for me at least, its not so much what you say as how you say it, and how often.

Well it comes up often.

 

[andy@trend]

Andy are trend anything to do with freud in the usa --as the letter designs are exactly the same,i noticed the similarities a few years ago but never found out if they were connected.


regards.

No sorry, no connection at all,
Freud are an Italian Router Cutter and Sawblade company who Manufacture Powertools in Spain and also operate in the USA (as Trend do)
Pure coincidence on the logo, I am led to believe.

andy@trend

 

[Anonymous]

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You still can't produce angular and compound angular M&T's easily with a standard Mortiser,
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Depends on what you mean by easily. My morticer has a tilting table so angular mortices are absolutely no prob; not that it's something I do very often. Compound angles would require a jig of some sort perhaps - but then that's not much of a problem either. A morticer which doesn't tilt would need jigs both ways - but c'est la vie if you are a woodworker, no prob.
Complicated tenons done easily with table saw with tilting arbor - a very common bit of kit.
Yes routers can have an occasional role when all else fails.

cheers
Jacob

 

[AndyPandy]

My morticer has a tilting table so angular mortices are absolutely no prob; not that it's something I do very often. Compound angles would require a jig of some sort perhaps - but then that's not much of a problem either. A morticer which doesn't tilt would need jigs both ways - but c'est la vie if you are a woodworker, no prob.

Well mine doesn't and I wouldn't want to faff around making multiple jigs for this and jigs for that until they're coming out of my ying yang. If the tool's there to do it and it's a reasonable price for the job in hand, then I'd buy it and bundle it into the cost of the next couple of jobs that required it. What's the big deal - it's a jig / tool / gizmo -- it works and it does the job and lets me get home for tea. I know how to cut M & T joints but it doesn't mean I need to prove it to myself each time I pick up a damned great chisel and start whacking it. I love jigs that do the job they're intended for. Great things

 

[gardenshed]

May-Brith from Norway, a new member only asked a simple question about a jig,

And the thread hijackers are at it again :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Some of you should know better imho.

 

[Jake]

Why does everyone feel the need to react so extremely to Jacob's views? He seems to make reasonable points to me - not that it is going to stop me using routers, woodrats, or any jig I damn well choose, but there are other ways.

And as for thread hijacking - well the question was dealt with ages ago and this forum would be even more dull if all threads were three posts long - 'where can I buy x?', 'here', 'or here'. I'd rather hear the router argument again for the five hundreth and thirty-seventh time.

 

[gardenshed]

Why does everyone feel the need to react so extremely to Jacob's views? He seems to make reasonable points to me - not that it is going to stop me using routers, woodrats, or any jig I damn well choose, but there are other ways.

And as for thread hijacking - well the question was dealt with ages ago and this forum would be even more dull if all threads were three posts long - 'where can I buy x?', 'here', 'or here'. I'd rather hear the router argument again for the five hundreth and thirty-seventh time.

Your missing the point here. A new member asked a simple question about a jig. She didn't ask for opinoins on whether jigs are any good or not, she just asked about buying one. I don't know why she wants one and neither does anyone else thats commented.

I don't mind a debate on jigs either bought or made, but lets for goodness sake have it on another thread.

How about giving some consideration to new members feelings upon reading all this, If I was new here I'd be off somewhere else. It's no wonder there are so few posters on the forum in comparison to the members and lurkers. i would certainly be put off posting again.

 

[PowerTool]

I agree wholeheartedly with Jake - I like to read different opinions and viewpoints,and I will decide for myself which information (if any) to act upon.
Jacob,I think you sometimes play devil's advocate a little,but personally speaking,please continue to do so :wink:

Andrew

 

[gardenshed]

I agree wholeheartedly with Jake - I like to read different opinions and viewpoints,and I will decide for myself which information (if any) to act upon.
Jacob,I think you sometimes play devil's advocate a little,but personally speaking,please continue to do so :wink:

Andrew

I agree, but start a different thread. The original question was simply about where to buy a Trend jig on the internet, not to the merits of one being good or bad.

 

[Jake]

I think you have a far too rigid view of thread titles. A thread is a conversation, not a question/answer session. They evolve, meander, and that's how it should be. Sometimes they head in the vortice of inevitability, but hey, so do conversations down the pub and so on.

Why would any sensible lurker be put off by the fact that they'll get an answer, but some other opinons that aren't a direct answer to their question will result, and the thread might end up talking about something else altogether?

That would be mighty precious. I don't think anyone should ever think of a thread as belonging to the OP, it just isn't like that.

 

[gardenshed]

I don't mind thread meandering off a bit, we all do it to some extent. But if you read through all the posts from the beginning it's beyond drifting/meandering imho.

But original poster who is new, just asked a very simple question about where to buy on the internet and we should at least imho afford them some respect. It only needed a couple of reply posts. (which it got to start with answering the question) and wer'e now on page 4 :roll:

Then someone if interested could have posted a new thread on the merits of buying or making of etc.

 

[Anonymous]

I agree wholeheartedly with Jake - I like to read different opinions and viewpoints,and I will decide for myself which information (if any) to act upon.
Jacob,I think you sometimes play devil's advocate a little,but personally speaking,please continue to do so :wink:

Andrew

I agree, but start a different thread. The original question was simply about where to buy a Trend jig on the internet, not to the merits of one being good or bad.

Well very many threads actually ramble in vague stream-of-conciousness sort of way all around the houses etc. This is normal, sometimes interesting, sometimes boring and irrelevant, sometimes funny.
In comparison, in this case, to go from where to buy one to whether or not you should buy one at all is sticking very close to the point!
I assume that everybody, like Powertool, can decide for him/herself, and a good thing too! The more alternatives are offered then the better will be the decision. Actually I don't play devil's advocate - well not conciously :twisted:, I just say what I think.
Can I suggest that those who find my posts irritating should simply not read them?

cheers
Jacob