table saw

[big soft moose]

talking of second hand saws does anyone have any thoughts about the tyzack - theres one available second hand which looks cast iron, well built, but compact with it

 

[9fingers]

Tyzack used to make their own machinery a very long time ago both woodworking and metalworking in the sort of sizes for home and small workshop use.
I don't think they make any machinery themselves now although I'm willing to be corrected.
Instead they badge other manufacturers kit such as Multico bandsaws.

Maybe if you have a photo, someone here might recognise the original model and reputation.

They also badge a huge range of handtools. I don't know if they still make hand saws. I'm no expert in these things as they don't have a power lead or come in 3 phase versions!!

Bob

 

[big soft moose]

Tyzack used to make their own machinery a very long time ago both woodworking and metalworking in the sort of sizes for home and small workshop use.
I don't think they make any machinery themselves now although I'm willing to be corrected.
Instead they badge other manufacturers kit such as Multico bandsaws.

Maybe if you have a photo, someone here might recognise the original model and reputation.

They also badge a huge range of handtools. I don't know if they still make hand saws. I'm no expert in these things as they don't have a power lead or come in 3 phase versions!!

Bob

this is the saw in question its on the bay , currently 60 quid single phase - i'm quite tempted but know nowt about them as a brand

also do you know anyting about cooksley as a brand, cos i'm also watching this one

far too big for my shop but might be handy at work (which would then mean i could buy the work TS200 for my own use)

 

[9fingers]

Pete,

That Tyzack might not be a tilting arbour but a tilting table instead from the shape of it.
Check that before you buy. I had a tilting table once and it was 'kin awful to use.

The cooksley is a cracking saw. Good old english cast iron. Possibly get a dado on that!! :lol:

Bob

 

[big soft moose]

Pete,

That Tyzack might not be a tilting arbour but a tilting table instead from the shape of it.
Check that before you buy. I had a tilting table once and it was 'kin awful to use.

The cooksley is a cracking saw. Good old english cast iron. Possibly get a dado on that!! :lol:

Bob

yep it is described as a tilting table - what was the problem with that ? ( its likely that i would largely just use it for rip and cross cut anyway so the tilt might not matter)

I'm still not decided between tablesaw or bigger bandsaw for the home 'shop - i'd like both but money and swimbo forbids

theres still 2 days to go on the cooksley so it may well go up out of our reach anyway - there's some nice wadkin iron on the bay too but its a bit pricey for us - i think our insurers would have a fit at the idea of a dado blade btw

 

[9fingers]

With a tilting table, gravity can take the wood away from the fence into the blade. Nightmare for long workpieces.

Is that cooksley braked?? you might need that for your workshop. I assume it is 3 phase so you might need to fit a dc injection brake on it to meet regs.
Not difficult but extra expense you need to think about.

That is going to apply to most old iron you might fancy

Bob

 

[big soft moose]

With a tilting table, gravity can take the wood away from the fence into the blade. Nightmare for long workpieces.

Is that cooksley braked?? you might need that for your workshop. I assume it is 3 phase so you might need to fit a dc injection brake on it to meet regs.
Not difficult but extra expense you need to think about.

That is going to apply to most old iron you might fancy

Bob

we will bear it in mind - our new workshop is going to have 3 phase wired in so we are looking at a decent lump of iron to replace the tablesaw , and something like a startrite 352 to replace our little asbw bandsaw -Ive also spotted a sedgewick morticer on the bay (single phase) which would do nicely to replace our multico

 

[big soft moose]

Ive got a few bids out on smaller old iron tablesaws at the moment (for my home shop) - though i was just outbid on my first choice.

one point of concern is that they dont all seem to have riving knives - is that something which is relatively easy to retrofit on most saws ? as i would prefer to avoid working without one

 

[dicktimber]

I think Bob takes the honour for best descriptive answer writer in this saw section with comments on which saw to go for...

with this advice....

'THE LEAST WORSE SMALL SAW'

does that mean, he means
The Best of the worst small saws...
which might mean an improvement on say buying the worst small saw....

I'm putting you up for the BookerPrize!!!!!!

 

[9fingers]

I think Bob takes the honour for best descriptive answer writer in this saw section with comments on which saw to go for...

with this advice....

'THE LEAST WORSE SMALL SAW'

does that mean, he means
The Best of the worst small saws...
which might mean an improvement on say buying the worst small saw....

I'm putting you up for the BookerPrize!!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It is a horrible abuse of English but has come into common useage and does really cover what I meant.

In essence - most if not all small saws have drawbacks so none are ideal but choosing one that only has compromises that you can live with would be the way to go.

This is not accurately described by "the best small saw" as it implies it will be a good one. Hence my choice of phrase that has amused you!

Bob

 

[big soft moose]

Ive got a few bids out on smaller old iron tablesaws at the moment (for my home shop) - though i was just outbid on my first choice.

one point of concern is that they dont all seem to have riving knives - is that something which is relatively easy to retrofit on most saws ? as i would prefer to avoid working without one

I have to say ebay pi$$es me off - i had the leading bid on one of these saws for all today with bidding sitting comfortably at 60 odd quid (it was a tilting table and needed some refurb so i didnt reckon it would go that much higher) then in the last hour , while i was walking the dog it suddenly jumped to someone's winning bid of £177 - not that i would have gone that high anyway but people waiting til right near the end annoys me.

 

[Sportique]

As a matter of interest - how do you define a "small" tablesaw -

is it the table size?
the blade size?
the price?
without stand?
the motor power?
one-up-man-ship (mine's bigger than yours)?

I have a Makita which I presume falls into the "small" category, but, after fettling, IMHO it gives very good repeatable results. But I must admit to having made a micro-adjustable fence for it.

(PS please someone put me out of my misery = IIRC?????? pardon ?? what?? which one?? who??) :? :?:

Dave

 

[big soft moose]

with refference to my posts when i say small i mean one with a small table which will fit easily into my shop - as in the tyzack pictured above, or any of the budget models up to about the axminster TS200

a large tablesaw would be typified by the cooksely pictured above but would also encompass big lumps of iron like wadkin and startrite - down to the large EB, JET etc

I'm not saying that a small saw is any worse at its job than a large one - indeed i am hunting for a good (as in solid and accurate) small saw for my home shop, in addition to a large one for work

 

[9fingers]

(PS please someone put me out of my misery = IIRC?????? pardon ?? what?? which one?? who??) :? :?:

Dave

Unknown abbreviations can usually be solved by google
or reference to one of the many acronym dictionaries such as
http://www.gaarde.org/Acronyms/

As with many words in English, these acronyms can have multiple meanings but the correct interpretation often comes from the context in which it is used.

Bob

 

[Sportique]

IIRC - thanks Bob - I was of the impression (wrong) that these were sort of home-made acronyms, so never thought of searching

Dave

 

[big soft moose]

Okay - bit of thread ressurection rather than starting a new one.

having missed out on all the original ebay stuff and having had some sniping training i'm entering the fray again - but info required

a) what is the little kity tablesaw like - the one thats about the size of the axi TS200 ?

b) with the bigger kitty if ones got a bust on off switch is that going to be easy to get parts for/fix

c) what do people think to the bigger axminster saws - particularly the next one up from the Ts200 , and was the perform variant of it any cop ?

ive made a deal with myself that i'm going to snipe like a bandit on these three saws (assuming no major problems with any of them come to light here) and if i dont get them i'm going to say **ck it and just buy a TS200 from axminster and bin / sell the bits i dont want.

 

[9fingers]

1)Don't get a kity 617. It is a tilting table not a tilting arbour saw.

I ended up having to give mine away!

2)Replacement of a switch with a new NVR is cheap and easy.

Any manufacturers original parts tend to be expensive so not often a viable solution.

Good luck

Bob

 

[Chems]

I saw a Kity 419 for £300 today.

 

[big soft moose]

too clarify the little kity is described as a 419

the bigger one (with the bust switch) is described as a type 10 -618 (apparently it french :duno: )

also i forgot to mention whats the mid sized SIP like - not the one the size of the Ts200 (i know we think thats rubbish), the bigger one ?

 

[big soft moose]

I saw a Kity 419 for £300 today.

was that on ebay or elsewhere ?