Straight router bit for mortices

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ayuce

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I have problems with cutting mortice with plunge router. I'm using straight bits, like

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but first it drils down slowly, second can't evacuate chips efficiently, bit stucks some time.
I saw upcut spiral router bit widely used for mortices in U.S. , but simply unavailable here.
Is there any better router bit for cutting mortices available in Europe ?
 
Have a look at wealden tools they will be able to sell you an upcut bit. Your one looks more like a rebate cutter
 
what size is it ? The Trend catalogue states which straight cutters have bottom cut, not just the ones called morticing bits
 
As Phil says, I usually use either a normal straight cutter with a bottom cutter, or one of the Wealden deep pocket cutters which are essentially the same thing on a long shack for morticing.

http://www.wealdentool.com/acatalog/Onl ... t_233.html

I've not tried using an upcut bit (they're expensive, I think), but I've found that the bits I use work alright.

Mike
 
I saw upcut spiral router bit widely used for mortices in U.S. , but simply unavailable here.

I've been using upcut spiral router bits for many years and I see no shortage in the UK.
Try putting "upcut spiral router bit uk" in Google it will bring up dozens of results.
 
Right on both counts, that's not the right tool for the job. You need one of these, but they are not cheap:
http://www.wealdentool.co.uk/acatalog/O ... t_229.html

You do have to be very gentle with mortising bits. To get any depth you need the long series ones and they are very easy to break. I used to use Clico mortising bits. They are designed for a slot mortiser rather than a router, so the speed had to come right down. Very nice mortices, but I broke more than one and it hurt my wallet when I did.

Sorry, wrote this ages ago and forgot to press the Submit button...
 
Phil picture could be misleading (this is not the exactly one i have), I'm using mostly Bosch router bits ( cheap if you buy in set) there is two bottom cutter. Not bad for grooving, good for rebating but not plunging. I'm not living in U.K. , the usual stuff available in Europe Bosch, Makita etc. easily available here. I couldn't see up cut spiral in their cataloque. Traditionally a cast iron combination machine (surface planer, morticer, table saw) used for mortising here. They are using different drill.

There is numerous local manufacturers, they are not cheap however professional shops usually buys from them. What i understand from the replies, upcut spiral is the bit of choice for mortising in U.K. also. I'll pay a visit to a local custom router bit shop at weekend to check if i can find something suitable. Steve the bits you posted seems to be solid carbide, same here solid carbide bits pretty expensive...
 
RogerP":rcjo7hlu said:
I saw upcut spiral router bit widely used for mortices in U.S. , but simply unavailable here.

I've been using upcut spiral router bits for many years and I see no shortage in the UK.
Try putting "upcut spiral router bit uk" in Google it will bring up dozens of results.

Yep same here. Had a CMT one probably 15 years ago. Upcut spiral cutters are by far my used bits. Last ones I bought came from here https://routercutter.co.uk/up-cut-2-flute-spirals

Edit. Missed the fact you're in Turkey. CMT I would have thought should be widely available in Europe as they are made in Italy
 
The bottom cutter runs across the centre of the bottom so there isn't a part that doesn't cut - that doesn't seem to have one. It would be fine with a horizontal cut, but not a plunge. (Assuming I'm right, of course :) )
 
ayuce":b5r58637 said:
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There is numerous local manufacturers, they are not cheap however professional shops usually buys from them. What i understand from the replies, upcut spiral is the bit of choice for mortising in U.K. also....
Most of the bigger retailers in the UK will happily send stuff overseas. I know definitely Axminster do as a friend in Greece often buys from them. Shipping cost of smaller items should not be excessive.
 
I've visited one of the local router bit manufacturer shop yesterday. They can produce custom bits easily. He names upcut spiral bit as "helical bit", got only same sizes with the shank. Asked around 11,5£ for 8mm solide carbide bit. Robin drill press is an option but still you need to clear the wall with chisel or router.
 
Slightly off topic here ayuce but I wonder what the wood working scene is like in Turkey? I know it's a powerhouse when it comes to exporting modern furniture (Istikbal etc.) but what is traditional Turkish woodwork like?
 
Mr T":1u2duhb5 said:
I use a pocket hole cutter for morticing. How is the spiral cutter an improvement on this?

Chris
Hello,

That is a good point, and I'm not sure they are better. The up cut spiral will eject the waste efficiently, sure, but pocket cutters have space above the cutter to allow for this, and multiple pass mortices present no problem with waste build up. But spiral bits cut on the sides, all the way up, which is no advantage on mortices. The idea of spirals are that they do not lose contact on the side of the wood, so are advantageous for edge cutting. They provide a smoother cut, because they do not suffer from the percussive nature of 2 flute cutters, there is always cutter contact. Of course they can be used for morticing, but are expensive for no gain, I think. Dedicated morticed bits and deep pocket bits are efficient and reasonably priced.

Mike.
 
Steve postage would cost at least 20£, this is the web site of the small manufacturer i mention http://fibsanmotif.com/index.php/urunler. I have one of small carbide bits for some time but didn't use much yet. But i saw professionals come to there for saw blade repair, sharpening bits or buying bits.

Memzey, i'm not in a positon to cover all industry, but can comment on as a hobbyist and consumer. Here in Turkey you wouldn't see lots of old building in use. One of the main reasond of that, over centuries we just build and live in wooden houses. Every furniture made from solid wood etc. They destroyed by fire, fall down when deserted or replaced by apartments.

So one can asume there sould be great tradition and craftmanship around. Unfortunately not. Yep there is quite a lot company in furniture business, like Boydak group ( istikbal, bellona ... their brands.) Over the years, panel furniture (veneered/laminated chipboard/mdf) invaded everywhere. Until 10-15 yeard before all windows and doors were wood. Now all windows PVC, exterior doors wood venered steel, inner doors honeycomb paper core thing. Kirtchen cabinets, the same again plastic laminate etc. over mdf/chipboard

Because of that, -if you have space and three phase- second hand big cast iron industrial woodworking machines are cheap. You don t need planner, thicknesser, standart table saw if you just build from veneered panel. Around 3000£ you can't buy whole shop from a retired wood worker. Includes usually 50cm band saw, 110cm table saw with tray, 40cm x 2mt planner/mortiser/saw combo, 40cm thichnesser, compressor, hand tools....

In a nutshell, woodworking industry pretty active and successfull. There is quite a lot big and small firms. even around my home, one of the residential area of Istanbul there is almost 10 small firm manufacturing smtg from wood. But they no longer keep the tradition alive all chipboard/mdf.

Only thing i can call as traditional and somehow alive is "kundekari" (just search this word in google). There is some hopes for traditional woodworking but...
 
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