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Hello,

I need to make a steam bending band, for windsor chair backs and the like. Does anyone know of a small suppler of steel (pref stainless) banding. can't find anyone who does small amounts. dont fancy buying a 25 kilo reel for 6 feet of the stuff.

Mike.
 
Might be worth having a word with Paul Styles at Axminster Tools. He runs chair-making courses and gave me a demonstration of how they bend the Windsor chair backs. I think he uses a piece of very thick band saw blade. Anyway, he could probably advise and tell you where to get it.

Cheers :wink:

Paul
 
Hello,

Thanks for the replies. I managed to find some imperforated galvanised stuff at a good price. It is amazing how all the Internet searches come up with American sellers. One GB site I found wanted 20 quid postage for a 10 ft length!

Was considering bandsaw stock as a last resort, it seemed like a good way of using up old blunt bands, but perhaps the tooth removal would be too much effort.

Thanks again,

Mike.
 
I'd have thought any engineering place should be able to slice you off a strip. I made a couple of lamb feeders and recall getting 1mm thick bendy galvanised sheet. ......... I think it was 1mm :)

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Hello.

Ordered som from here,

http://www.tizaro.com/

Galvanised duct hanging strap.

Amazon also had the perf stuff, but was a thinner gauge, so opted for the other stuff

It was surprisingly difficult to find a supplier of a small amount.

Thanks for all the replies.

Mike.
 
Hello,

The stuff I ordered is 10 ft long, 1 in wide, .035 in thick (20 gauge)

http://www.tizaro.com/brands/dmc/

Like I said earlier, the google searches come up with loads of American suppliers; by the description from this UK supplier, It is likely made for the US market. It is amazing how much easier it is to get stuff over there. Even Home Depot have the stuff I wanted. ( Their orange diy store).

Mike.
 
Hello,

Actually just noticed the stock stainless stuff too, I ordered the galvanised, cause I didn't see the other. It will do all the same.

Mike.
 
I use builders' band for all sorts fo DIY tasks - last one was a strap to hold the car's radiator header tank up off the engine wiring! To be honest, I can't see it being strong enough for Windsor chair back bending.

I went to the open day Axminster held for us all in the spring of last year, and watched the steam bending demo too (I think they ran it several times that afternoon): the machine Paul Styles uses exerts a huge force. I remember him saying it was originally bandsaw blade (I assume an offcut from before the teeth were cut), and I think he was pulling the ends with a boat trailer winch. Bandsaw steel would be ideal if you can get it, bur Paul's got somewhat privileged access!

You might try several strips of builders' band together - I fold it back on itself for extra strength sometimes, but if you look at a single strip, although it's about 3/4" wide, the holes in it make it quite a lot weaker in tension than you might expect. It's also probably really cheap Chinese steel, with who-knows-what scrap chucked into the furnace.

I think I'd test it somehow, in case I found it wasn't up to the job when I had a piping hot piece of oak in the jig.

E.
 
Good point.

I didn't realisie there was a bigger version. Googling, Toolstation sell it in 20mm and 50mm widths - their site doesn't say how much thicker the 50mm is though. If it's the same it's not going to be much stronger than 2x20mm.

Are there more suitable profiles?
 
Hello,

Actually got some 2 inch band from toolstation yesterday. It seems thick enough, but might work harden near the wood end stops and fail in a short time. Only time will tell. I thought the wider stuff might be better, since the wood to be bent will be wider than 3/4 inch and might give some more leeway. I will give it a go soon. The 1 inch wide band, sans holes might be the best of all, but it still has not arrived!

Mike
 
you could use Flooring flexible straight edge Carpet fitting tool 4mtr roll up. I used to be a floor layer, and have used these straight edges for a multitude of different things. you can get them cheaper if you search. I only posted the link to give you an idea. Sorry can't post the link..

Stevie
 
Hello stevie406.

Thanks for your input. You will be able to post links and photos etc when you have made a few more posts. It is an anti spam thing.

Oh, and welcome to UK Worksop.

Mike.
 
I made a steam bent ash Windsor chair hoop on a course with mike Abbott (renowned green woodworker) and we didn't use a band at all, just bent the hot ash piece around a firmer and clamped it. Clamped the apex first then pulled each side down and clamped those.
 
Hello,

Yes, some people use no band at all. John Brown used a thin lath of ash as a band. The Idea of the band is to stop tension occurring on the outer edge and allowing only compression to take place on the inner edge. In other words the outside of the wood wil not get any longer, but the inside will get shorter. Using no band allows a bit of both, but wood does not like tension. I just like to use a band to minimise failure rates, but it will work without. Ash is a good bending wood, so it might be a belt and braces approach, other woods not being so kind may need the extra help. I'm still experimenting.

How did your chair making course go, and piccies?

Mike.
 
I have successfully used steel banding used for heavy duty patetisation. I get it free from most places who are glad to get rid of the stuff once the pallet has been unwrapped. Although not galvanised, it doesn't seem to rust at all, or mark wood.
 
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