artie
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Social distancing, .. what's that?
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artie
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I have often wondered what would be the benefit of a national ID card. There are ample means of identification already
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This isn't a. Conspiracy theory anymore this pandemic is a proven conspiracy! Don't taemy word for it but David E Martins
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I suppose he's a lunatic as well
The stuff in this topic is so very like the stuff in similar on-line places or even pub & dinner table conversations these days - composed of various fashions of mass media opinion with their scuttlebutt repeated like a mental tape recording by various fanboys of those various mass media comics and their comedians.
It used to be just "the red & blue clownshow" of left vs right but now there are dozens of weird klowns with mad stories about "what's really going on". These days, the whole puddin' is leavened with 1001 mini mass media channels found about the interweb, of every flavour, shade and toxicity.
But how much do any of the scuttlebutt relay stations spouting in a forum or on faecespuke really know about anything - from their own direct experience of everyday life rather than from reading The Hate Mail, Torygraph, New Lunacy or "This is the true truth" website by Cletus the swivel-eyed loon? In fact, how many even have "their own" everyday experiences, rather than the allocation of various personal events into their ideological taxonomy as installed via the main mass media and other mass media prattle-gabble sources pouring into their eyes and ears every minute of the day?
Really, most of us know nowt but what we're told. We are told all sorts, all of it mediated by axe-grinding editors of various ilks & tittles. And who puppets them? And who or what motivates the puppeteers? The fact is, we will never know, despite being told everyday by a newspaper or website that we can know if we just believe them and no one else.
In the modern world it's become impossible to know anything much about causes, main-movers and other zeitgeist-generators with any level of certainty. Our brains are filled with so much inchoate cultural noise from birth, from so many channels, that avoiding cognitive dissonance and vast internal structures of self-delusion is impossible.
Personally I find myself avoiding conversations other than those about very specific matters of which I have significant personal experience. I have even become ultra-sceptical not just about the "information" out there but also of my own assumptions and beliefs about the wider (especially political) world - which are likely not my beliefs but were installed over the past 70 years by a hundred agencies, many of them mad; many of them with all sorts of agendas nothing to do with my welfare.
Do you recall British History as it was taught in schools of the 50s and 60s? The glorious British Empire bringing myriad benefits to the various native chappies (not exploiting and murdering them willy-nilly in the process at all. Ha!).
A sad state of affairs, in one way, to become so sceptical that it borders on cynicism. From another perspective, it removes an awful lot of angst about machinations in the wider world that one can do nothing about and which don't really impinge on most of us in any serious way .... yet. But perhaps the often draconian and apparently arbitrary imposition of Covid rules is the beginning of something that's long been brewing in circles of power ever since Jeremy Bentham advocated his panopticon?
Of course, an inability to know about "now" in any coherent fashion means no ability to control the future. But personally I believe that it's just human hubris to believe that anyone has such control or ever had. We act out of deep and hidden motives generated deep down in our flawed human nature, making up stories to justify what we (and others) did well after the fact.
But blether-on, chaps. It's all good entertainment.
Eshmiel
It used to be just "the red & blue clownshow" of left vs right but now there are dozens of weird klowns with mad stories about "what's really going on". These days, the whole puddin' is leavened with 1001 mini mass media channels found about the interweb, of every flavour, shade and toxicity.
But how much do any of the scuttlebutt relay stations spouting in a forum or on faecespuke really know about anything - from their own direct experience of everyday life rather than from reading The Hate Mail, Torygraph, New Lunacy or "This is the true truth" website by Cletus the swivel-eyed loon? In fact, how many even have "their own" everyday experiences, rather than the allocation of various personal events into their ideological taxonomy as installed via the main mass media and other mass media prattle-gabble sources pouring into their eyes and ears every minute of the day?
Really, most of us know nowt but what we're told. We are told all sorts, all of it mediated by axe-grinding editors of various ilks & tittles. And who puppets them? And who or what motivates the puppeteers? The fact is, we will never know, despite being told everyday by a newspaper or website that we can know if we just believe them and no one else.
In the modern world it's become impossible to know anything much about causes, main-movers and other zeitgeist-generators with any level of certainty. Our brains are filled with so much inchoate cultural noise from birth, from so many channels, that avoiding cognitive dissonance and vast internal structures of self-delusion is impossible.
Personally I find myself avoiding conversations other than those about very specific matters of which I have significant personal experience. I have even become ultra-sceptical not just about the "information" out there but also of my own assumptions and beliefs about the wider (especially political) world - which are likely not my beliefs but were installed over the past 70 years by a hundred agencies, many of them mad; many of them with all sorts of agendas nothing to do with my welfare.
Do you recall British History as it was taught in schools of the 50s and 60s? The glorious British Empire bringing myriad benefits to the various native chappies (not exploiting and murdering them willy-nilly in the process at all. Ha!).
A sad state of affairs, in one way, to become so sceptical that it borders on cynicism. From another perspective, it removes an awful lot of angst about machinations in the wider world that one can do nothing about and which don't really impinge on most of us in any serious way .... yet. But perhaps the often draconian and apparently arbitrary imposition of Covid rules is the beginning of something that's long been brewing in circles of power ever since Jeremy Bentham advocated his panopticon?
Of course, an inability to know about "now" in any coherent fashion means no ability to control the future. But personally I believe that it's just human hubris to believe that anyone has such control or ever had. We act out of deep and hidden motives generated deep down in our flawed human nature, making up stories to justify what we (and others) did well after the fact.
But blether-on, chaps. It's all good entertainment.
Eshmiel
Get on then, don't use that as some kind of threat as if anyone actually cares what you do. Just make sure you do actually ignore them instead of doing your normal routine. When you actually ignore me it's wonderful and I greatly appreciate the peace and quiet.
artie
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I can'd disagree with much of that, but it is important that we question, debate and hopefully learn.The stuff in this topic is so very like the stuff in similar on-line places or even pub & dinner table conversations these days - composed of various fashions of mass media opinion with their scuttlebutt repeated like a mental tape recording by various fanboys of those various mass media comics and their comedians.
It used to be just "the red & blue clownshow" of left vs right but now there are dozens of weird klowns with mad stories about "what's really going on". These days, the whole puddin' is leavened with 1001 mini mass media channels found about the interweb, of every flavour, shade and toxicity.
But how much do any of the scuttlebutt relay stations spouting in a forum or on faecespuke really know about anything - from their own direct experience of everyday life rather than from reading The Hate Mail, Torygraph, New Lunacy or "This is the true truth" website by Cletus the swivel-eyed loon? In fact, how many even have "their own" everyday experiences, rather than the allocation of various personal events into their ideological taxonomy as installed via the main mass media and other mass media prattle-gabble sources pouring into their eyes and ears every minute of the day?
Really, most of us know nowt but what we're told. We are told all sorts, all of it mediated by axe-grinding editors of various ilks & tittles. And who puppets them? And who or what motivates the puppeteers? The fact is, we will never know, despite being told everyday by a newspaper or website that we can know if we just believe them and no one else.
In the modern world it's become impossible to know anything much about causes, main-movers and other zeitgeist-generators with any level of certainty. Our brains are filled with so much inchoate cultural noise from birth, from so many channels, that avoiding cognitive dissonance and vast internal structures of self-delusion is impossible.
Personally I find myself avoiding conversations other than those about very specific matters of which I have significant personal experience. I have even become ultra-sceptical not just about the "information" out there but also of my own assumptions and beliefs about the wider (especially political) world - which are likely not my beliefs but were installed over the past 70 years by a hundred agencies, many of them mad; many of them with all sorts of agendas nothing to do with my welfare.
Do you recall British History as it was taught in schools of the 50s and 60s? The glorious British Empire bringing myriad benefits to the various native chappies (not exploiting and murdering them willy-nilly in the process at all. Ha!).
A sad state of affairs, in one way, to become so sceptical that it borders on cynicism. From another perspective, it removes an awful lot of angst about machinations in the wider world that one can do nothing about and which don't really impinge on most of us in any serious way .... yet. But perhaps the often draconian and apparently arbitrary imposition of Covid rules is the beginning of something that's long been brewing in circles of power ever since Jeremy Bentham advocated his panopticon?
Of course, an inability to know about "now" in any coherent fashion means no ability to control the future. But personally I believe that it's just human hubris to believe that anyone has such control or ever had. We act out of deep and hidden motives generated deep down in our flawed human nature, making up stories to justify what we (and others) did well after the fact.
But blether-on, chaps. It's all good entertainment.
Eshmiel
My outlook is totally different from it was thirty years ago.
Was I right then, am I right now, will I be right in another ten years, who knows but I'm no longer content to swallow everything the six o'clock news tells me.
Why is this drivel even being rehashed on this forum? If you really want to promote this narrative, that’s what Spiked is for. Or perhaps just lock yourself in your workroom and do something until your brain functions properly.
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Well I have direct experience having been alien abducted at least 12 times, trust me what "Zoorg" tells me would make your ears spin.
Lons
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It's all been said before, multiple times by the same prantagonists and should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago, there are numerous forums out there where they can specifically spout extreme or otherwise views and opinions. This is supposed to be a woodworking forum.
I didn't ask for the thread to be removed but but was pleased, now disappointed it's been reinstated.
I didn't ask for the thread to be removed but but was pleased, now disappointed it's been reinstated.
Utter rot.
Martin is indeed a certified barking moonbat & purveyor of stupid conspiracy theories.
You lap up his guff all you like - I'll stick to getting my information from peer reviewed scientific sources, rather than what some nutter posts on t' interweb.
What's wrong with Spiked? Damn site more sensible people there than on the MSM.
And this is the off-topic section, if you don't like it, don't get involved, not very difficult is it?
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This is a wood working forum. This is in the "Off Topic" forum (and it really qualifies for Off Topic). If you do not like this thread, please go to the top and click IGNORE. Or if you don't like this forum. Go to the header and click IGNORE. It's there so you do not have to endure a topic you don't like and wish would go away.
Really! You are ignorant and talk about things you know nothing about. Dr David E Martin has spoke with authority in the US congress several times. He is an expert on linguistics and has successfully brought down countless organised criminal conspiracies. Fact!! He digitalized the patent system and through patents he has irrefutable proof of criminal offences committed by bill and Melinda gates foundation, Anthony Faucci and Maderna pharmaceutical who faucci has said is his preferred choice for the vaccine. Maderna don't have the permission to use the platform to administer their vaccine undisputable fact. Maderna lodge 1000 patent applications on the 28/03/2019 which was for the deliberate release of a corana virus. What did they know to apply for such a unlikely scenario?
You can mock me as much as you like but thankfully humanity always takes down these despots who believe there own BS. Today on mainstream media we are told we must limit our contact with people in our own homes because the r rate is above 21. We have a few days of 30000 positive test we will have with testing being increased all the time but they fail to point out there was only 3 deaths. Wake up people this lockdown is draconian and totally uneccessary. Our human Rights are disappearing at warp speed and your running along like a good boy because this is too big an issue for it to be a lie!! Wrong history is littered with despots tyrants genocides all recently. But it won't happen to us will it. YES YES YEE it can. I have faith that humanity will once again thwart the terrible pandemic and those of you who think they know it all will be revealed as who they truly are and feel the pain that most of us are feeling now finacilly ruined confined like a prisoner and wondering how in the hell do we recover from this nightmare.
Some of you on here truly disgust me
You can mock me as much as you like but thankfully humanity always takes down these despots who believe there own BS. Today on mainstream media we are told we must limit our contact with people in our own homes because the r rate is above 21. We have a few days of 30000 positive test we will have with testing being increased all the time but they fail to point out there was only 3 deaths. Wake up people this lockdown is draconian and totally uneccessary. Our human Rights are disappearing at warp speed and your running along like a good boy because this is too big an issue for it to be a lie!! Wrong history is littered with despots tyrants genocides all recently. But it won't happen to us will it. YES YES YEE it can. I have faith that humanity will once again thwart the terrible pandemic and those of you who think they know it all will be revealed as who they truly are and feel the pain that most of us are feeling now finacilly ruined confined like a prisoner and wondering how in the hell do we recover from this nightmare.
Some of you on here truly disgust me
Doug71
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It's amazing how the whole conspiracy theory thing can affect people.
I know a lad who has really changed over the last few years, he was a nice sensible chap with his own business. Think it was all the conspiracy theories around 9/11 that got him in to it, now whenever I see him all he talks about are the things going on in the world that are hidden from us and these higher beings that run everything. Everytime he pops over for a chat his beard and hair are a bit longer, he looks thinner and his skin is a bit greyer, he threw away his mobile phone ages ago "because they are listening". He now spends all his time watching different Gurus on youtube. Last time he came round it was to see if I knew anyone selling a generator as he is moving off grid so "they" can't get to him.
I know a lad who has really changed over the last few years, he was a nice sensible chap with his own business. Think it was all the conspiracy theories around 9/11 that got him in to it, now whenever I see him all he talks about are the things going on in the world that are hidden from us and these higher beings that run everything. Everytime he pops over for a chat his beard and hair are a bit longer, he looks thinner and his skin is a bit greyer, he threw away his mobile phone ages ago "because they are listening". He now spends all his time watching different Gurus on youtube. Last time he came round it was to see if I knew anyone selling a generator as he is moving off grid so "they" can't get to him.
Steve Blackdog
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There are few more effective means of controlling people than to lead them to believe that they can trust nobody but you. Sadly that has what our politics has become - you can't trust the others, but follow me and everything you ever wished for will come true. I am sure that there are many people whose lives have been made worse by what they read on the web.
That of course is the dilemma - how do you work out whom to believe when everyone says everyone else is lying? Me, I have found that being right is an over-rated ambition. The only thing I am certain of is that there is more that I don't know than I do know.
Talking of ignorance, I must get back into the shed and do my inadequate best to turn sawn up pieces of tree into into another guitar. From the tree's point of view, it might have preferred to have continued being a tree!
billw
The Tattooed One
Most conspiracy theories, especially those in the USA, seem to form a threat to individual freedom. Therefore perhaps the biggest conspiracy theory is that all the other conspiracy theories are pushed out by pro-gun lobby in order to make sure the second amendment isn't repealed.
They're coming for you - socialists, climate change activists, communists, liberals, aliens, foreigners, minority sexualities, people of colour...... literally anyone. Buy a gun.
They're coming for you - socialists, climate change activists, communists, liberals, aliens, foreigners, minority sexualities, people of colour...... literally anyone. Buy a gun.
There are so many false claims in your post that pointing them out would take forever.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid (it was actually Flavor-Aid...).
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”You always own the option of having no opinion. There is never any need to get worked up or to trouble your soul about things you can't control. These things are not asking to be judged by you. Leave them alone.” - Marcus Aurelius
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