Sheppach dust extractors

[mpooley]

Hi Has any one got ant experience with any of the sheppach dust extractors?

its the Ha 2000 ha 2600 and ha 3210 that i'm looking at.

I thought i'd better post this here rather than hijack the debate in general woodworkin!
I't no good me reading all that. I'm just getting more and more confused.
I just wanna buy a decent system - its that or i'm going to have no heating in my workshop and just blow it all outside :shock:

Thanks for any advice
Mike

 

[gardenshed]

Mike,
I have the Scheppach HA2600, with the fine filter 0.5 microns and it works very well at keeping the fine dust at bay and collecting the chippings.

It's powerfull enough for a 12" P/T, & large saw table. It's very quiet compared to others I've tried. I have it mounted on a wall with some brackets I made.

I'm very pleased with it.

I did look at the HA320, but it's pricey imho, especially with the fine filter, and it's huge, the pictures in the adverts etc don't really show that.

 

[Adam]

I've got the HA2600. I looked at a few varieties and to be honest there isn't a lot between them. The fine filter, due to the folds has an increased surface area so I believe it actually improves, not decreases the air flow.

I doubt you'd by disappointed with it, but there isn't a great deal between any models. I've been very happy with mine so far

I'm more than happy with mine!

Adam

 

[mpooley]

HI
Thanks for your speedy replies

Have either of you tried the torch test that some people advocate - ie looking for dust particles with the lights out?

I keep reading about these cyclones etc and of course i dont want to buy a pig in a poke so its nice to have the opinions of happy owners

Thanks

Mike

 

[Adam]

Have either of you tried the torch test that some people advocate - ie looking for dust particles with the lights out?

No. I built a separate "outhouse" for my extractor - so it's not as important - as its not in my workshop anyway.

One thing I particularly like - the little yellow plastic clip which holds the bag in place whilst you do the strap up. You can see the hose coming through from the workshop in the picture.

Adam

 

[gardenshed]

No need for the torch test with the fine filter fitted, as 0.5 microns is classed as hospital clean levels.

 

[RogerS]

No need for the torch test with the fine filter fitted, as 0.5 microns is classed as hospital clean levels.

But doesn't that assume that reality is meeting up with the manufacturers claims ?

Adam...with a short hose extension you could easily dispense with your bag entirely...there looks to be a handy piece of waste ground just the other side of that fence :wink:

 

[mpooley]

i do tend agree with roger - being a sceptic - i wouldnt want to rely on the manufacturers claims :shock:


also if i do put the extractor outside i wouldnt bother with any sort of filter or bag i'd just dump it into an open bin.??

Mike

 

[gardenshed]

i do tend agree with roger - being a sceptic - i wouldnt want to rely on the manufacturers claims :shock:Mike

I'm sceptical as well, but all I can say is that in this case it does what it says on the tin, it works. I have a dust free workshop.

 

[Adam]

also if i do put the extractor outside i wouldnt bother with any sort of filter or bag i'd just dump it into an open bin.??

Mike

Ahh, if you carefully at the picture, you'll see that the neighbours sit just the other side of the fence in a swinging garden chair. Seems a bit unfair to blow dust all over them, although they don't seem fazed by the noise of it running.

Adam

 

[mpooley]

also if i do put the extractor outside i wouldnt bother with any sort of filter or bag i'd just dump it into an open bin.??

Mike

Ahh, if you carefully at the picture, you'll see that the neighbours sit just the other side of the fence in a swinging garden chair. Seems a bit unfair to blow dust all over them, although they don't seem fazed by the noise of it running.

Adam

ah! yes i can see your problem!

and if youve got a dust free workshop gardenshed (is that you real name? :lol: ) then its a lot better than my old setup.

thanks

mike

 

[nhough]

Hi Mike

I have the HA 2600 with the fine filter attachment and I have to say that I am really pleased with it. I also have it in my workshop for the very same heating reason! I initially had the DX4000 but found that it was too loud for late night working. The Scheppach is quiet, powerful and doesn't take up too much space. The increased flow rate allows me to have it connected to both my TS and T/P simultaneously without needing to shut off one inlet to increase efficiency. Emptying the bag is far easier (and cleaner) than the DX 4000 and it appears to keep my workshop dust free although I haven't the 'torch test' yet. I would definitely reccommend it!! :lol:

Cheers

Nolan

 

[mpooley]

Thanks!
I'm definitely leaning towards the sheppach now,
if only someone can do the "test" then i'll be happy :lol:

you say its easy changing the bags. is it a band with a clip? only i had an old record one and i used to find that very difficult to keep the bag on while i did up the clip!

Mike

 

[paulm]

Hi Nolan,

Interested that you use the HA2600 now in preference to the DX4000.

I was always worried that the HA2600 was only 600w if I remember correctly and that didn't sound like it would have nearly enough suck !

I have a Record 1500 with a 1000w motor which is adequate but not particularly powerful, and a DX4000 with twin 1000w motors which is very powerful but like you say noisy too, so interested to know how you think they compare in performance, as I might consider swapping one or both out for the Sceppach if it was good enough ?

Cheers, Paul.

 

[gardenshed]

Thanks!
I'm definitely leaning towards the sheppach now,
if only someone can do the "test" then i'll be happy :lol:
Mike

"The test" is pointless with the fine filter as it's 0.5 microns.

I have a Record 1500 with a 1000w motor which is adequate but not particularly powerful, and a DX4000 with twin 1000w motors which is very powerful but like you say noisy too,

If my sums are right, the HA2600 moves more per cmh than the DX400.

 

[Alf]

...i used to find that very difficult to keep the bag on while i did up the clip!

Assuming it's of metal construction, magnets. Revolutionised my dust bag changing.

Cheers, Alf

 

[nhough]

Hi Mike. The bag changing is easy indeed! It does have a band and a clip. I simply fold a little crease to take up the slack in the pag and pin this crease under the clip. This holds the bag securely while you put the band on - doddle!!

I'll try and remember to do the "test" tonight!!
Cheers

Nolan

Thanks!
I'm definitely leaning towards the sheppach now,
if only someone can do the "test" then i'll be happy :lol:

you say its easy changing the bags. is it a band with a clip? only i had an old record one and i used to find that very difficult to keep the bag on while i did up the clip!

Mike

 

[nhough]

Hi Paul

As you probably know the HA2600 is high volume machine. It filters over 375 cubic metres of air per second (more with the optional fine filter attached) as apposed to the DX4000 which is only 106 (with both motors running) Thus even being only 600W it is almost 3 times more effective. It is much quieter and although both machines specify they can hold 80 L of dust, this is not strictly true. The DX4000 has two motors and a felt bag that probably uses half the specified volume which annoyed me.

One word of caution though. The DX 4000 can suck through a thin/long pipe without losing much suction/capacity. The HA 2600 needs a large pipe diameter (ie 100mm) to maintain high volume filtering. If you tap off onto a say 30 - 40mm pipe the suction reduces and the DX 4000 would be more efficient. That said I do use my HA 2600 connected directly to my orbital sander (30mm outlet) with no problems!! For my thicknesser planer and table saw it is the best buy I've made in a while!!

Cheers

Nolan

Hi Nolan,

Interested that you use the HA2600 now in preference to the DX4000.

I was always worried that the HA2600 was only 600w if I remember correctly and that didn't sound like it would have nearly enough suck !

I have a Record 1500 with a 1000w motor which is adequate but not particularly powerful, and a DX4000 with twin 1000w motors which is very powerful but like you say noisy too, so interested to know how you think they compare in performance, as I might consider swapping one or both out for the Sceppach if it was good enough ?

Cheers, Paul.

 

[Adam]

HA2600 was only 600w .....I have a Record 1500 with a 1000w motor which is adequate but not particularly powerful, and a DX4000 with twin 1000w motors

Manufacturers description of motor "wattage" is a very inexact science. Some are input powers, some are output, some are with the motor running under load, some without etc etc. I'd be relatively wary of them.

Adam

 

[paulm]

Thanks Nolan, makes sense now, had a feeling I was comparing apples and pears !

Agree with the capacity issue on the dx4000 too, it holds very little due to the space the motors and filters take up, so I had to attach a supplementary bin for seperating out the heavier shavings so that only the dust gets through to the actual collector.

Main issue is the noise though, only have it switched on for as long as absolutely necessary as it is pretty tiresome.

Cheers, Paul.