Scrub plane question

[bugbear]

These tools are listed in pretty much every tool catalogue I've got, from 1880-1980, under various names (roughing plane, single iron jack, scrub and bismarck).

I'd say they were pretty common.

Add in the obvious DIY adaptation of old jacks, and these were clearly a widely used tool.

BugBear

 

[Jacob]

These tools are listed in pretty much every tool catalogue I've got, from 1880-1980, under various names (roughing plane, single iron jack, scrub and bismarck).

I'd say they were pretty common.

Try and buy an old one!

Add in the obvious DIY adaptation of old jacks, and these were clearly a widely used tool.

BugBear

Not so much adaptation, more relegation.

PS Looking for scrub planes on ebay is interesting. They are scarce but available in USA but virtually non existant here (except for the new ones).

 

[Sheffield Tony]

I spent a fair while trawling ebay for a scrub plane. Most searches turned up stanley #40's from USA, which went for a price that, takning into account postage, made a new Veritas look good value.

In the end I made a wooden one. At the time I used the only bit of tool steel to hand, a large M3 HSS power hacksaw blade. Being HSS I didn't have a way to get it hot enough to heat treat, but being HSS I could shape it carefully with the angle grinder without ruining the existing temper. I'm quite pleased with the result; it may not take the edge possible with O1, but it is hard wearing and copes with the rubbish on the outside of timber which would otherwise quickly wreck the edge of a jack.

I found that a Record 161 honing guide, the one with the single ball bearing wheel, is perfect for these heavily cambered blades.

 

[marcus]

Just to go back to the honing thing, I've made a short vid of my honing method for curved plane irons, which is quite different to the one in the Lie-Nielsen video. Hope it's useful to someone. Sorry for poor vid quality, did it on my phone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1SCW8VYemY

 

[Jacob]

I spent a fair while trawling ebay for a scrub plane. Most searches turned up stanley #40's from USA, which went for a price that, takning into account postage, made a new Veritas look good value.

In the end I made a wooden one.

I waited months but nothing turned up. In the end I bought the ECE.

Just to go back to the honing thing, I've made a short vid of my honing method for curved plane irons, which is quite different to the one in the Lie-Nielsen video. Hope it's useful to someone. Sorry for poor vid quality, did it on my phone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1SCW8VYemY

I can see it's a way of sharpening but I wouldn't call it an easy way. If that's easy why not do all your tools the same way?

 

[marcus]

Yawn

 

[Jacob]

Yawn

Yawn, I agree!
You haven't explained what problem is solved by your method, nor why you wouldn't use it for all your other tools.
Have you tried it with one hand behind your back? :lol:

 

[marcus]

Yada yada

 

[Jacob]

Yada yada

You sound a bit desperate. Have you run out of plasters?

If you are having a problem holding the blade a short piece of 2x1" (bigger or smaller depending on the blade), with a saw kerf to slot the blade in, might be your answer. Doesn't have to be tight fit as pressure in use holds it in. You could even shape it to match bevels, cambers etc.

Hope that helps.

 

[marcus]

Whatever.

 

[Paul Chapman]

Blimey, you are tiresome, Jacob. Have you nothing better to do :?:

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[jimi43]

I found an old coffin plane at a bootfair which had been turned into a scrub...

Old and fine Sorby iron....

...nice camber...

...works a treat....

That was a round yew branch...completely flattened and almost no smoothing required...just the hills and valleys taken off afterwards..

Anyone can do this with a bootfair basketcase and...like old craftsmen would have done...get it running fine again.

Jim

 

[Jacob]

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Anyone can do this with a bootfair basketcase and...like old craftsmen would have done...get it running fine again.

Jim

Nice one.
That's probably why 'scrub planes' are so vague and elusive - any old plane (preferably a short one) can be turned into a scrubber and back again, in minutes. Who need a purpose made one? (Well I bought one myself TBH - but in the spirit of enquiry).

 

[pedder]

Schrupphobel (Ulmia, ECE, Steiner) can be get from ebay.de dime a dozen.

My Schrupphobel is from UK, though.

Cheers
Pedder

 

[Jelly]

....

Anyone can do this with a bootfair basketcase and...like old craftsmen would have done...get it running fine again.

Jim

Nice one.
That's probably why 'scrub planes' are so vague and elusive - any old plane (preferably a short one) can be turned into a scrubber and back again, in minutes. Who need a purpose made one? (Well I bought one myself TBH - but in the spirit of enquiry).

Indeed, at the opposite end of the spectrum to that my scrub plane is an awful plastic and sheet steel jobbie that came with a job lot of otherwise nice tools...

After braying the pressing (i dont really want to call it a sole) with a 2lb engineers hammer until it was vaguely flat (rather than twisted along its length with a bump near the mouth) and cambering the iron It's proved fit for purpose; more than can be said for it's as-new state!

 

[bugbear]

Old and fine Sorby iron....

I think that's a "second" - I've a Marples iron where the logo has been similarly struck out with a cold chisel.

Mind you, I'd rate even a "second" I Sorby against most other irons...

My first scrub convert was a coffiin smoother, but I found the lack of size and handle made it uncomfortable and inconvenient for the fast and vigorous strokes required. I much prefer my razee jack conversion.

BugBear

 

[jimi43]

I think that's a "second" - I've a Marples iron where the logo has been similarly struck out with a cold chisel.

Mind you, I'd rate even a "second" I Sorby against most other irons...

My first scrub convert was a coffiin smoother, but I found the lack of size and handle made it uncomfortable and inconvenient for the fast and vigorous strokes required. I much prefer my razee jack conversion.

BugBear

Agreed about the second. I have seen concentric ring stamps too...with the just-visible logo underneath. I often wonder why they do this and not just melt it down but maybe they could sell seconds to poorer craftsmen for more than the material value?

All of the Sorby family had a knack with quality iron....that's quite an old one.

Regarding size...I think it goes back again to use. My favourite quote on the subject.....made right here on the UKW was...."to a box maker, a No.3 is a jointer"....!!!

I do some really small stuff...so the scrub still works at this size..and this was a small coffin. Douglas now has it and I believe uses it quite a bit.

Jim

 

[bugbear]

Regarding size...I think it goes back again to use. My favourite quote on the subject.....made right here on the UKW was...."to a box maker, a No.3 is a jointer"....!!!

I think you're (mis)quoting ... me.

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BugBear

 

[jimi43]

Regarding size...I think it goes back again to use. My favourite quote on the subject.....made right here on the UKW was...."to a box maker, a No.3 is a jointer"....!!!

I think you're (mis)quoting ... me.

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BugBear

Guilty!! :mrgreen:

What's two sizes between friends?! Great quote that...stuck with me...but not enough to remember the figures I guess! :mrgreen:

How does it feel to be famous BB? 8)

Jim