Saw identification and approximate year of manufacture? Saw has new hard point blade fitted but I’m just curious if anyone can I’d it!

[user 43606]

 

[Bingy man]

looks like it’s quite old as wheat man and smith seem to of been around since 1845 so it could be quite rare , a few of the members here have old catalogs and have far more experience than me . Looks like it was specially made for this R. Fairclough so you could try to research him or the company ..

 

[Sideways]

I wonder if it's a coincidence but there was a locally famous Richard Taylor Fairclough of Warrington from the 1850's

There was a Richard Fairclough school in Warrington and
DEFRA - ENVIRONMENT AGENCY NORTH WEST
are now located at
RICHARD FAIRCLOUGH HOUSE
KNUTSFORD ROAD, WARRINGTON

Richard Fairclough (Flour Merchant) 1844-​

Richard Taylor Fairclough was born in 1844 in Earlestown, and educated at Winwick Grammar School before moving on to Liverpool College.
He moved to Warrington in 1864 after spending five years in the tea trade in Manchester. In Warrington he opened out a connection in Cheshire for the Mersey Flour Mills. Throughout his long working life he showed superb business acumen which was proven by the continued success of the company his father, James Fairclough Senior, had set up in the early 1850’s.
On top of this he took an active part in the management of the Longford Wire Works of which he was a director for 20 years, and the Alliance Box Company where he was Chairman for a number of years. But his success as a businessman is not the main reason for the people of Warrington remembering the name Richard Taylor Fairclough.
In 1889 he was elected to the council – a position he held until 1895. Meanwhile he had been appointed a representative of the corporation on the upper Mersey and Navigation Committee. As well as this work he was also a Justice of the Peace for 37 years. Richard Fairclough’s greatest work, however, was as an educationalist. For 55 years he was treasurer of the Parochial School and in 1903 he was made a member of the newly formed Education Committee for the town. In addition to this he was chairman of the Sites and Building Committee and a representative manager of the Bolton Council School. The many Saturdays he spent with RICHARD FAIRCLOUGH HOUSE – spade and wheel barrow, raising with cinders the level of a plot of land next to the Parochial School so that the pupils could have a bigger playground, were a typical example of his dedication to education.

Richard Fairclough School​

When the site for a new school in Latchford had been approved the Borough Education Committee took the opportunity to commemorate the work of Richard Fairclough by naming the school after him. Although he was not present, due to ill health, at the opening of the school in 1934, he did send a message to the pupils which ended with the words: “Be good, not only good, but good for something”. Richard Fairclough died five months later and it is a testament to the good work carried out by the man that following the change of usage of the school to office accommodation that the National Rivers Authority should choose to continue honouring the man by adopting as the name for the new headquarters ‘Richard Fairclough House.’
A school ahead of its time – Boy’s Own stories and ghostly goings on Richard Fairclough’s was, without doubt, a school ahead of its time. Architects S. Wright and E. H. Hamlett designed the classrooms with an emphasis on light and airy conditions. The school offered excellent facilities especially for subjects like domestic science, woodwork and chemistry but as the times dictated, there was strict segregation between the boys and girls schools, a fact which explains the outstanding symmetry of the original building. Indeed one of the main school rules was no fraternising with members of the opposite ***. Segregation even went as far as two portraits of Richard Fairclough, one for the girls and one for the boys!

This history from the website
mywarrington.org

 

[Orraloon]

Those hard point blades actually make an OK blade so down the track if you get the urge cut off the hardened bit and form new teeth.
A nice old saw like that should be worth the effort.
Regards
John

 

[spanner48]

This, from BSSM [British Saws & Saw Makers from 1660]:

Wheatman & Smith, Russell Works, Russell Street (then Kelham Island), Sheffield, 1852 - 1968. The Russell works on Kelham Island now form the buildings for the Kelham Island Museum and the Hawley Collection of classic Sheffield saws.

The spine stampings look typical of thise used 1852-1880.

The hard-point blade will,only have been hardened for the existing teeth, and will probably be too hard to sharpen with a sawfile. Behind, the blade will be good-quality steel, but un-hardened.

The tote looks little-used and very well-fashioned. The hook indicates pre-about 1880. The wood is either dyed beech, or possibly English Walnut [Juglans regia]. The sawscrews have been put in back-to-front. They are domed-nut screws, so post 1863; either Munger, Disston or Glover-patent ones. But could be replacements for earlier split-nut screws.

 

[kwigly]

Likely made for R Fairclough & Co of 72 Byron St Liverpool (1856-1883). Listed as "edge tool and plane maker" in the 1860 Liverpool directory. (wooden planes seem to be the most common "R Fairclough" tools found in a quick web search)

 

[user 43606]

looks like it’s quite old as wheat man and smith seem to of been around since 1845 so it could be quite rare , a few of the members here have old catalogs and have far more experience than me . Looks like it was specially made for this R. Fairclough so you could try to research him or the company ..

This, from BSSM [British Saws & Saw Makers from 1660]:

Wheatman & Smith, Russell Works, Russell Street (then Kelham Island), Sheffield, 1852 - 1968. The Russell works on Kelham Island now form the buildings for the Kelham Island Museum and the Hawley Collection of classic Sheffield saws.

The spine stampings look typical of thise used 1852-1880.

The hard-point blade will,only have been hardened for the existing teeth, and will probably be too hard to sharpen with a sawfile. Behind, the blade will be good-quality steel, but un-hardened.

The tote looks little-used and very well-fashioned. The hook indicates pre-about 1880. The wood is either dyed beech, or possibly English Walnut [Juglans regia]. The sawscrews have been put in back-to-front. They are domed-nut screws, so post 1863; either Munger, Disston or Glover-patent ones. But could be replacements for earlier split-nut screws.

Thank you for your knowledge and the information, and your right the bolts are not original split but screws, handle is stained etc, and it looks more like walnut, think the hard point can be sharpened with diamond file, but it has a new working tool, once again many thanks!

 

[okeydokey]

This makes a new saw look vintage - quite a good idea I might try this if I come across a saw with dead blade but good handle