Bruce Mack
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That decision would go over well here in the USA where we laugh at bringing a knife to a gunfight 
Royal Mail - complete ban on bladed items from 22nd April
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I have just received Royal Mail tracking information that my parcel (containing rolled up plans), has been delivered to a Mr.Michael with a photo of a bit of his front door. How am I suposed to know where this is? I tried ringing their contact number and a recorded message says that it is a premium line. So I have to pay to try to correct their mistake, not bloody likely. Back to the supplier. Yet another nail in the coffin of a company that you used to be able to rely on.
J-G
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I've recently had an altercation with EVRI. An Amazon purchase which was logged as "Handed to recipient in person" - an outright lie - the two parcels were left on the outside doormat with not even a knock on the door or a press of the bell push.
It so happened that one of the parcels was missing some components and after just a couple of e-mails the actual supplier (VonHaus / DOMU) quickly organised a replacement. After three days the EVRI tracker showed the parcel as 'Delayed' - after 6 days is was still showing the same. VonHaus interveined when prompted and confirmed that EVRI couldn't fine it. They then despatched another replacement (and put a claim in) telling me to watch for notification of ETA. - - three days later and no 'notification' EVRI again left the parcel on my doorstep!
VonHaus were fantastic in their service and support, EVRI were utter rubbish!
It so happened that one of the parcels was missing some components and after just a couple of e-mails the actual supplier (VonHaus / DOMU) quickly organised a replacement. After three days the EVRI tracker showed the parcel as 'Delayed' - after 6 days is was still showing the same. VonHaus interveined when prompted and confirmed that EVRI couldn't fine it. They then despatched another replacement (and put a claim in) telling me to watch for notification of ETA. - - three days later and no 'notification' EVRI again left the parcel on my doorstep!
VonHaus were fantastic in their service and support, EVRI were utter rubbish!
All the items listed above - with the exception of some of the more extreme Section 5 weapons - are freely available across the counter here in Bulgaria. However, most people of any age see no need to carry a weapon of any kind - apart from our local "ethnic minority members", who specialise in burglary, pickpocketing and purse/jewellery snatching as well as attacking hospital staff who fail to save any of their members who don't survive the frequent internecine knife fights.
Despite this easy access to assorted deadly (and not so deadly) weaponry - and the massively higher rates of REAL poverty - the homicide rate is marginally below or at the same level as that of the UK as a whole. The victims of homicide are also often from the ranks of the local Mafia, a fact which doesn't unduly worry the rest of us as they're carried out by professionals who take pride in not causing collateral damage and aren't too worried about witnesses.
worn thumbs
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I had something similar a couple of weeks ago.I was sitting no more than 10 feet from my front door when an email arrived telling me that a delivery had been made.I found the package by the gate.The Evri delivery driver had to walk past the front door to reach the gate.....
Had I not been in the house carrying out an online search for hardware when the email arrived, the bearings in the parcel would have been left outside in the rain until I logged on the next time.I made a point of mentioning this when I was asked to rate my delivery.
stuart little
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Violin cases come to mind!Here in Bulgaria, the post - and courier services - won't take firearms. As a shooter, I find it amusing that they're quite happy to collect and deliver "musical instruments" from and to gunsmiths, gunshops etc.....the couriers will even wait while the "guitars" etc are wrapped up in front of them.
stuart little
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What about youngsters just starting out on a career, they can't buy the tools they need, but they can use them ? So where's the common sense? There'll be a ban on hammers next, & what about 'wrecking bars', pry bars etc?
I had an interesting one with the Post Office the other week. It was a "special" birthday for my sister so I took her present to the local PO to get guaranteed delivery. She lives at 31 'Whatever Rd', and I've sent things there before. The lady behind the counter said that the gift would be delivered to 25 as there are no other addresses above that number (they go up to 65!). She wouldn't relent, despite my protestations, and said her software can't be wrong (
). It would've cost £11.65 to send.Fuming I went home, got online paid £7.35 to DPD. Printed the postage label with the correct address and took it to the local drop off point...... that same post office! The look on her face as I handed over the same parcel was priceless.
Terry - Somerset
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That they will no longer deliver bladed items seems clear. But I am unclear why - because:
As a company they can make up their own rules and don't need to justify them. "Commercially" it seems odd if other carriers will continue to take them. They lose the revenue from a service which is anyway not generally competitive on price and benefits competitors.
- is it danger to personnel from improperly packaged sharp objects,
- they can't check the age of the recipient for restricted items,
- the blade may subsequently be used in a crime in which they may be held complicit
- etc etc
As a company they can make up their own rules and don't need to justify them. "Commercially" it seems odd if other carriers will continue to take them. They lose the revenue from a service which is anyway not generally competitive on price and benefits competitors.
spiritburner
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Another good reason to have a National ID card scheme, when you sign for a delivery in spain they ask to see your ID card. they write down your ID number and you sign for it.
If you dont hand it over you dont get your parcel. seems fair to me, your ID number follows you everywhere in everything that you do from buying a car or gaining entry to your doctor, you need it everywhere and without it you cant get anything done.
Everyone has one and it makes life easier, they only reason not to have one in my opinion is that you are wanting to hide something. I used to think Civi lLiberties and thought it was wrong but living here as long as I have I am totally for it
Claim benefits, You have to show it, No ID card you wont get any Benifits and so....Want to vote you show it when you collects your voting paper , virtually no voter fraud by the votee
Get the picture. It works despite what others say....
spiritburner
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What does Royal Mail actually do for their money ???
Nanny State comes to mind, living over here looking in the UK is fast becoming the laughing stock of Europe and probably the rest of the World.
I just want to come back to the initial query by the OP. The definition of bladed items as I understand by the post office relates to knives
IMPORTANT NOTICE: From 22 April 2024 we will be prohibiting ‘Knives or Blades’ defined by s141A Criminal Justice Act 1988 and ‘Bladed Products’ as defined by s41 of Offensive Weapons Act 2019 from the Royal Mail network. Currently, these items can only be sent using our Age Verification service and returned using Royal Mail Tracked Returns®. However, from 22 April 2024 sending and returning these items to UK destinations via any Royal Mail service will be prohibited, meaning that these items cannot be sent even if our Age Verification service is used. Our Age verification service will still be available for other age restricted items, including alcohol and, unless prohibited elsewhere, you can still send items not covered by the Acts.
These acts state "blades (length, samurai swords, lock knife) 1988 Act
And in the 2019 Act more specifically - see here. https://nbcc.police.uk/business-sup...kes it illegal,bladed items from the internet.
It appears to me that this does not include items such as chisels, or plane blades (or planes), but would include stanley knives and marking knives amongst other such woodworking bladed items.
So in general most of the time if we wanted to sell for example on eBay etc our surplus chisels, planes and planes blades we would be OK?
Am I correct?
IMPORTANT NOTICE: From 22 April 2024 we will be prohibiting ‘Knives or Blades’ defined by s141A Criminal Justice Act 1988 and ‘Bladed Products’ as defined by s41 of Offensive Weapons Act 2019 from the Royal Mail network. Currently, these items can only be sent using our Age Verification service and returned using Royal Mail Tracked Returns®. However, from 22 April 2024 sending and returning these items to UK destinations via any Royal Mail service will be prohibited, meaning that these items cannot be sent even if our Age Verification service is used. Our Age verification service will still be available for other age restricted items, including alcohol and, unless prohibited elsewhere, you can still send items not covered by the Acts.
These acts state "blades (length, samurai swords, lock knife) 1988 Act
And in the 2019 Act more specifically - see here. https://nbcc.police.uk/business-sup...kes it illegal,bladed items from the internet.
It appears to me that this does not include items such as chisels, or plane blades (or planes), but would include stanley knives and marking knives amongst other such woodworking bladed items.
So in general most of the time if we wanted to sell for example on eBay etc our surplus chisels, planes and planes blades we would be OK?
Am I correct?
Terry - Somerset
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Guidance by the government has the following Guidance :
It should be noted that even if an article is not considered to have a blade or point within the meaning of section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988, it could still be an offensive weapon under section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 if the article is made or adapted for use for causing injury, or it is intended by the person carrying it for such use or by some other person for such use.
There are some defences - eg: part of national dress - but basically any sharp item could be interpreted as an offensive weapon depending on circumstances. So a chisel certainly has the potential, a plane blade by virtue of its shape is less easy to use as a weapon.
No doubt RM will be playing safe!
It should be noted that even if an article is not considered to have a blade or point within the meaning of section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988, it could still be an offensive weapon under section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 if the article is made or adapted for use for causing injury, or it is intended by the person carrying it for such use or by some other person for such use.
There are some defences - eg: part of national dress - but basically any sharp item could be interpreted as an offensive weapon depending on circumstances. So a chisel certainly has the potential, a plane blade by virtue of its shape is less easy to use as a weapon.
No doubt RM will be playing safe!
Almost anything could be an offensive weapon but there has to be intent ....
Don't do the legislator's jobs for them and assume things are problematic when they aren't.
It's bad enough that a judge made precedent determined that a folding knife with a lock is the same as a fixed blade knife and now ordinary people with legitimate uses are put at risk of injury because it's a little harder to justify a knife with this basic safety feature.
Don't do the legislator's jobs for them and assume things are problematic when they aren't.
It's bad enough that a judge made precedent determined that a folding knife with a lock is the same as a fixed blade knife and now ordinary people with legitimate uses are put at risk of injury because it's a little harder to justify a knife with this basic safety feature.
ajs
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Just had an axe delivered today. Sent via RM Tracked 48, no signature required. If they're ending the bladed article system people will simply continue to ignore it in practice. Only time I can remember encountering it - complete with "bladed article inside" warnings - was for a machete from one of the outdoorsy sites.
This is all getting ridiculous. Then no one can buy a cutlery set over the internet either if the supplier uses RM. Suppliers will just switch to companies who still transfer "bladed items". And yes, it's always the law abiding people who suffer. Criminals source weapons from the street not internet. It's the same with firearms. There are no hand guns allowed in England, Wales and Scotland ( but in NI they are) on a firearms licence unless they are long barelled. Well, crooks don't have a firearms licence to start with and run around with pistols sourced from god knows where.
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I only wish as a supplier I could easily swap delivery company for our bladed items, I am afraid its not only RM who are restricting the movement of knives. The likelihood is we will be reducing or stop supplying these items, we may only have them available in store, at shows or not at all. We have been working with the age verification for a few years, this has a cost to us and the paperwork involved upsets some customers.
We can only hope the the definition doesn't creep into other wood working tools.
Cheers
Peter
We can only hope the the definition doesn't creep into other wood working tools.
Cheers
Peter
mcostello
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This might be the time coming when the local black smith lives again.
Yet try and get a box of cigars through the system?I sold a couple of axes last year, sent via UPS with their over 18 signature service, needless to say it added about a fiver to the cost and one buyer emailed to tell me they just dropped it off without signing or ID
I've sent chisels and saws via RM before, but had no idea they were included.
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