It's just an ad blog. Not in the sense that it's selling tools, but just that its there to sell websites subscriptions and class enrollments, so it'll be curated to make it look like Paul is an authority and few disagree with him.
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It's just an ad blog. Not in the sense that it's selling tools, but just that its there to sell websites subscriptions and class enrollments, so it'll be curated to make it look like Paul is an authority and few disagree with him.
The two planes look identical. Im surprised the retailer (Rockler?)decided to stock it. I’m all for saving money but supporting this type of behaviour, no chance.
Ah! Missed the link. Just spotted now. Thanks for sharing. Great review of the plane on your website. Very balanced. The depth adjuster collar, did you make this yourself? I’m surprised Veritas haven’t changed their design to the collar you have.
ecokestove
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gmercer_48083
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I have the Veritas router plane, and have been pleased with it. I tried to buy a used router plane and watched Ebay for over a year with their ridiculous prices... then ordered a new Veritas and optional fence new for less than average used on Ebay.
pe2dave
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that makes a lot of sense if you're curating the comments to lead people to your online and in-person classes.
I don't think paul's target is getting people in and making them self sufficient woodworkers. It's the person who imagines they want to make things and will be there on and off for years paying to imagine that it's coming.
When you start making things and wanting to use the tools and understand how they work, you would become a nuisance in those classes because beginners won't grasp what you're talking about and some of the class will be lost.
I have a feeling 200 years ago, there was in immediate need for apprentices to become useful and all basic function and basic design was understood quickly.
(never paid enough attention to his blog to see what they leave and don't leave - if someone isn't making something nice, I can't really get much from what they're talking about).
thetyreman
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both are good, I like my vertias router plane though and use it a lot, it makes a great marking gauge as well.
Thats a copy of the LN one. Only thing different really is the LN controls for depth are steel not brass, and LS has Lie Nielsen No 71 cast into it.
That said, I dont think you can really plagiarize a router plane, the shape and function have been about for a long time and the LN is near identical to the record power RP, which is near identical to the Stanley model. So who is plagiarizing who
Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)
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The only thing that both LN and LV have in common with Stanley and Record is the concept, which is far older than all. Their executions differ from each other and from Stanley/Record.
Regards from Perth
Derek
Regards from Perth
Derek
Does anyone know what Veritas’ tolerance is for sole flatness. I’ve received the plane. Looks wise and feel wise, it’s incredible. However, checking the sole for flatness, I can comfortably get a 0.05mm feeler gauge under the front right over a wide area. Is this a problem?I suspect, the gap is around 0.07mm I’m surprised that this is the case. I , rightly or wrongly, assumed veritas worked to the same tolerance as lie Nielsen. Clearly, this is not the case.
jameswood
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If anyone's in the same situation, give the walke moore router consideration, it's a Preston copy and a little pricier. They're making small batches and selling them now and again
Dangermouse 2nd
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Personally I wouldnt stray from my vintage Record router. Amazingly well made. Last several liftimes.
Why try this brand? Are they better than veritas ? If so, in what way? Genuinely interested.
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Inspector
Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck!
Send a note to Veritas customer service (Lee Valley if you bought through them) and ask if what you have is in tolerance. They will likely arrange for a replacement if it isn't. I don't think it will make much difference but I don't use them a lot.
Pete
Sent an email. Will see what comes back. They’re certainly not transparent on their tolerance levels , which leads me to assume they’re not as tight as other manufacturers.
Orraloon
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Customer service aside I dont think that will make any difference on a router plane. I never even thought of checking the sole of the old stanley router plane I have.
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John
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John
Cheers. I tend to approach things by first asking whether something is fit for purpose. This being, I’m surprised cheaper branded planes are able to be produced to tighter tolerances. Certainly, given my initial experience, I think Veritas are overpriced. I wouldn’t buy another Veritas plane unless it was one that only they produced.
Your talking about 50 microns or 2 thou in old money. I doubt that either LN or LV have their castings stress relieved for this plane, so after machining they can move as that tolerance for the application perfectly acceptable. Most router planes get a large wooden base screwed into them which I’m sure will have been planned down to less than 50 microns flatness, equally the surface it’s being used on to register to it will definitely be less than 50 microns flatness especially if it’s been standing a few hours / over night. Ok that’s all tongue in cheek, to try to highlight that it’s only usually in metalwork we’re 50 microns can become an issue.
As an aside, I found that the LN castings on some planes I’ve worked with have been as soft as soap. Had to have one of my own planes replaced because of it.
I don’t have the same opinion as Derek, I believe that if there had been a design right filed on the shape of these planes, both LV and LN would be in breach……there both in my opinion just tweaked copies of the Stanley / Record, so its a free for all, open season for anyone to manufacture of the same style. The one thing I’ve found with both LN and LV is their customer back up has been outstanding and their stuff holds it’s value.
As an aside, I found that the LN castings on some planes I’ve worked with have been as soft as soap. Had to have one of my own planes replaced because of it.
I don’t have the same opinion as Derek, I believe that if there had been a design right filed on the shape of these planes, both LV and LN would be in breach……there both in my opinion just tweaked copies of the Stanley / Record, so its a free for all, open season for anyone to manufacture of the same style. The one thing I’ve found with both LN and LV is their customer back up has been outstanding and their stuff holds it’s value.
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