Rip fence upgrade for Kity 419

[Mike.C]

Gill,

Do keep spouting, Mike - if you hadn't persisted in trying to help Woof when nobody else was around, I wouldn't have had the confidence to participate in this thread

I intend to Gill. All I meant was I am going to have to check my facts before I give out any information, no matter how right I think I am. It just did not enter my head that Kity would produce 2 different fences, when an attachment such as the SIP and other saws would have done the same job.

On a more serious note I am only to glad that the duff info I gave was not about something that could have caused injury to Woof or anyone else. As I said, no matter how convinced I am that I am right, I am going to have to make sure in the future.

Anyway Gill, thanks for coming up with the correct info. :lol:

Cheers

Mike

 

[Rich]

Hi Steve (Maskery), finally managed to work out how to watch your video on short fences and now I can see what all you learned chaps have been saying regarding the safety aspect of ripping with a short fence, I am now converted plus I have registered on your site and may have convinced the love of my life to spend a little hard earned on an xmas prezzie for yours truly, many thanks to all.

Regards Rich.

 

[mailee]

and Scrit (who unfortunately is not with us anymore)
Cheers

Mike

Oh my god when did this happen? was it the HSE that got him in the end?
Hat, coat, I'm off. :lol:

 

[Mike.C]

Oh very funny Mr Mailee, don't let the door hit you on the way out :wink:

Cheers

Mike

 

[haydar]

Good day, Gentlemen.
my first post. came to this site from google.

I have a table saw that is exactly the same copy of Kity 419 or Axminster TS-200. Here in Indonesia sold as Krisbow brand, type KW22-58. All of them came from the same Chinese manufacturer.

My problem with table saw fence is exactly the same with Mr. Woof has previously explained:

"not particularly happy with the rip fence. When you tighten it, fence lifts up a fraction towards the right, and goes off-parallel."

I have emailed Vega, Shop Fox, Delta, Rockler, Axminster about the possibility to install aftermarket fence and none returned, except from Shop Fox tech support, said that due to specialized design of my saw, their aftermarket fence is impossible to fit in.

All of aftermarket fences require holes to attach their guide rail on the side of the table, while my saw table has L-shaped edge with holes on the topside.

Maybe some Kity / Axminster users have similar problem and willing to shed some lights I would really appreciate it and thanks a lot in advance.

haydar

 

[wizer]

I am also interested in upgrading the rip fence on the TS200. Not just because it's short but also because it's just of poor design and build. As haydar says, the profile of the existing fence rail makes it hard to modify it to fit, for example, the axminster rip fence upgrade.

Anyone got any bright ideas?

 

[Steve Maskery]

Tom
Can you post a picture of the rail? I may have a solution.

Haydar, Welcome, your URLs will get through after a few more posts.

Cheers
Steve

 

[Steve Maskery]

 

[wizer]

yes let me know if you need any more pics than that. The fence just grinds along the rail and the screw lock isn't ideal. Maybe I've been spoiled with a biesy style.

 

[Steve Maskery]

Riht guys. I can't do too much today, I'm nephew-sitting and we are making (slowly) a SHaker Canterbury Step Stool. S:

a solution you may wish to investigate can be found on p88 of FWW #109. I built this and used it on my first TS. It's rock solid and infinitely better than the one that came with the saw. I bet you can find it on the FWW site, but you'll need a sub. I have a paper copy.

It's accurate and easy to make. Very little metalwork is involved (just a bit of drilling and tapping). It uses and in-line toggle clamp as the Business.. I'll scan and post a pic later.

CHeers
Steve

 

[wizer]

need more info. Not this?

 

[wizer]

ahh found it:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jYNI ... &q=&f=true

Looks interesting. Going to print it out and have a look. Does the mag article hold any more info Steve?

 

[Steve Maskery]

That's the one (the latter not the former!). That's the mag article in its entirety. As I say, I made it up and it served me well for years and is still serving the current owner. Today I'd add a couple of low-friction sliding pads, but apart from that I wouldn't change anything.

Cheers
Steve

 

[Mr Ed]

I don't know if the TS200 fence is different or worse quality than the Kity one, but I've always found the fence that came with my 419 to be fine. Admittedly its not in the same league as the fences on bigger machines, but for the capacity of the saw I have always felt the fence was about right.

Maybe I've got a good one?

Ed

 

[wizer]

Maybe I haven't set mine up right. But instead of gliding over the rails it kinda scrapes like fingernails down a blackboard. Also the screw knob lock thingy annoys me for unknown reasons. I understand the safety implications of a short fence but I just can't get on with it. I'd prefer to use an aux fence when crosscutting and a long rip fence for ripping. With a long rip fence I could also double it for use on the RT. These are all minor issues, I suppose, and maybe I have been spoiled by the fence on the SuperSaw. But if it's relatively easy to change the fence system then I will seriously look into it. I'm making do at the moment with a temporary setup. But when funds allow I want to upgrade the TS200 to work the way I want it to. Investing in customisation should hopefully give me more longevity with the saw rather than trying to squeeze a cabinet saw back in. I don't see the harm in that, it's all about personal preference.

 

[LarryS.]

.....But instead of gliding over the rails it kinda scrapes like fingernails down a blackboard.... Also the screw knob lock thingy annoys me for unknown reasons......But if it's relatively easy to change the fence system then I will seriously look into it.....

I'm in exactly the same position as you wizer, if you find any good ideas then let me know

 

[Willow]

Thanks for that link Wizer. I have the Kity 419 and have made my own extension table. Have been thinking about a "proper" full length fence for use with sheet materials for some time. The existing one is 1" thick mdf held with G cramps back and front.

Another little job to add to the list.

 

[Mr Ed]

But instead of gliding over the rails it kinda scrapes like fingernails down a blackboard. Also the screw knob lock thingy annoys me for unknown reasons. I understand the safety implications of a short fence but I just can't get on with it. I'd prefer to use an aux fence when crosscutting and a long rip fence for ripping. With a long rip fence I could also double it for use on the RT.

Ah well thats the difference then - the kity one slides quite nicely to my thinking. Also, as mentioned earlier in this thread, the Kity machine shipped with both long and short fences (I use the long one). Not that helps you at all, but I can understand being unhappy with only the short fence.

Ed

 

[NewtoWood]

This is getting scary. I think Wizer is psychic as each time I come across a problem he has posted a solution or place to look.

I am the proud owner of an Axy ts200 which has been plagued by rip fence inaccuracies since bought in March 2009.

When the slide moves up and down the rail it does so accompanied by a screech worthy of a horror film and when trying to lock the fence the end of the fence goes out of line the more you turn the screw.

It finally gave up the ghost when the casing cracked and a chunk fell off after tightening the wheel.

I am going to try and make the one contained in Wizers link and I'll let u know how it goes.

 

[wizer]

Very interested to hear how you get on with it. It's certainly high on my list.