Record 043/044 manual

[Alf]

Long-term readers will know I've been looking for a copy of the aforesaid manuals for years now; thanks to Andy McArdle downunder I now have one online, spruced up and Bristol fashion, for your viewing pleasure. Either via my ever-popular Boat Anchor Shrine or direct here. 344KB PDF. I think Record mucked up some of the depths for the #044 on the diagrams btw, but I've put 'em in as I found them. Any other errors or you simply can't read it, pipe up - 'tis but an hour or two's work to correct things... :wink: If you're interested, I started out with this:



Oh, and be warned, this is likely to fire me up about getting a page done on the 044 so I may be begging for photos and such in due course.

Cheers, Alf

 

[Mirboo]

Thanks Alf.

I've got an old 043. It will be good to finally see what the manual for it is like.

 

[dchenard]

If it's a 044 Marples, will that do for pics?

DC

 

[Corset]

Just bought a 43 and 44 from ebay. I have no idea why. They just called to me and i was weak to the power of them. but at 1.99 for the 44 what can i say even the wife was interested when i showed her it.
Now all i need is a 45 and i have a run.
Whats happeneing to me :shock:

 

[Paul Kierstead]

Oh, and be warned, this is likely to fire me up about getting a page done on the 044 so I may be begging for photos and such in due course.

I got a Record 044, reasonable condition, photography equipment, let me know if you want some pics.

 

[DaveL]

Whats happeneing to me :shock:

Ah so you have found The Slope TM :roll:

 

[whybob71]

Whats happeneing to me :shock:

ohhhhhhh....me too.....I have the plough disease.......and I belive it's not reversible.........

I have a question: does the 044 (which I have only with short roads) share the same road diameter with the 043?

 

[Philly]

Hey, why don't all the plough plane folk get together? We meet up for a meal. Maybe a Ploughman's Lunch........ :lol:
Duckin' and runnin'....
Philly

 

[Alf]

If it's a 044 Marples, will that do for pics?

Ooo, yes indeedy - like the 040/043 I'd like to include the derivatives so that'd be excellent.

I got a Record 044, reasonable condition, photography equipment, let me know if you want some pics.

Great Paul; mine are in not-great nick, so I may well take you up on that.

I have a question: does the 044 (which I have only with short roads) share the same road diameter with the 043?

Alas, no. The 043 is 7mm while the 044 is something like 9.9 (probably 3/8" plus the plating)

Hey, why don't all the plough plane folk get together? We meet up for a meal. Maybe a Ploughman's Lunch........ :lol:
Duckin' and runnin'....

Mayyoubefogiven, Phil... ](*,)

Cheers, Alf

 

[bugbear]

Oh, and be warned, this is likely to fire me up about getting a page done on the 044 so I may be begging for photos and such in due course.

Cheers, Alf

In that case I'll remind you that Marples did a version, and that I once saw (but didn't buy) A Record #044 without depth adjuster, or fittings on the castings for a depth adjuster.

BugBear

 

[bugbear]

Just bought a 43 and 44 from ebay.... but at 1.99 for the 44

What!?

Wowza.

That's cheap.

BugBear

 

[Alf]

In that case I'll remind you that Marples did a version,

Yeah, there's an I Sorby one out there too according to the Porch archive - wonder if there might be some Australian models too?

and that I once saw (but didn't buy) A Record #044 without depth adjuster, or fittings on the castings for a depth adjuster.

Oh really? Very interesting, Mr Bond...

Cheers, Alf

 

[Evergreen]

Hi Alf

I've got a #044C, which has only been used a few times, in its original box with extra cutters, and its user manual.

Would this be classed as the Record plough's ultimate incarnation or the vile and effete last spawn of a once honourable lineage?

Regards.

 

[Colin C]

Alf

I have an I Sorby one with both sets of cutters and its in the box too ( box has seen much better days)

It is in good order as well, so if you want pic's let me know

 

[Alf]

Would this be classed as the Record plough's ultimate incarnation or the vile and effete last spawn of a once honourable lineage?

Erm... :-k :wink: To be honest I've not even got one of the modern incarnations, never mind info on them. I 'spect I'll get round to it at some point, but as it stands... But thanks

I have an I Sorby one with both sets of cutters and its in the box too ( box has seen much better days)

"both" sets of cutters? Do tell...

Sheesh, looks like I might actually have to do this instead of just thinking about it. #-o Ah well, guests invade the place next week so I'll be hanging about having to look tidy anyway, so a little light website authoring may be no bad thing. Watch this space.

Cheers, Alf

 

[Colin C]

Alf

I will take some pic's over the weekend so you can see, unless I have my numbers wrong :roll:

 

[Philly]

A light slowly plinked on in my brain earlier. Ran out into the 'shop to check my #44-same instruction leaflet as yours, Alf. Only a fair bit water damaged and fraying.... :wink:
My 43 came boxless so no paperwork.....
Philly
Just trying to add something of use....

 

[Mirboo]

wonder if there might be some Australian models too?

I don't know of any Australian models but someone else might.

If someone did make an Aussie version I suspect Carter would have been a likely culprit. The Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia (HTPAA) has a web page showing different versions of Carter Plane's. No 044 knock off is listed, the closest is probably the C54, but I'm not sure if this page is an exhaustive list of Carter's offerings.

Davleco and Sharmanco made small plough planes that look pretty much like a Record 040, similar to a 043 but with only a single rod securing the fence. I don't remember seeing or hearing anything about either Davleco or Sharmanco making a 044 knock off but that doesn't mean that they didn't.

 

[bugbear]

No 044 knock off is listed, the closest is probably the C54, but I'm not sure if this page is an exhaustive list of Carter's offerings.

The C54 looks much more like a Record #050 than a Record #044.

BugBear

 

[Mirboo]

I agree, the C54 does look more like a Record 050 than a Record 044.

The C54 is a knock-off of the Stanley 54 which as I understand it is basically a Stanley 50 minus a depth stop.

All I was saying in my previous post (or at least trying to say) is that of all the Carter planes pictured, the C54 looks the most like a Record 044 (since the 044 is the plane we were talking about). Hey, it looks more like an 044 than the Carter Pipe Cutter doesn't it? :roll: