President Elect's 'top team'

[Chris152]

We aren't concerned about the USA as we can't influence anything that happens in the USA but here's an opportunity for you to have a rational discussion involving the UK.
How do you think the UK should go about reducing this so-called wealth inequality and if it can be done how will that improve the quality of public services?

You don't seem to understand how this works, Tony.

 

[ey_tony]

Trump's tariff war could cost Americans more than $3,200 a year, experts claim​

American consumers would bear the brunt of Donald Trump's proposed tariffs, new analysis showed on Tuesday night as the world braced for a new era of U.S. protectionist policies.

So what?

 

[Delaney]

Boris is a career liar (sacked from several jobs for such). He's very clearly a sociopath (charming, deceptive, prone to aggression when challenged). I'd wholeheartedly agree that he's a compulsive liar.

Starmer isn't in the same league. Would I trust him? No; he's a politician. But comparing him to Boris is crazy.

Starmer is a carbon copy of Boris except Boris has more charm.

Starmer can’t stop lying
He can’t keep it in his pants
And he’s incredibly thin skinned
He takes gifts and donations
And he is ideologically incredibly authoritarian, where Boris is neither.

 

[ey_tony]

Reducing (real) wealth inequality is not the objective. It is merely collateral damage from necessary tax collecting. Spending more on public services most certainly is a priority - as you hear everyday on the media with all the problems due to cost cutting.
Can you think of another way to raise the necessary?

Well hamstringing the business owners with extra taxes who raise most of the wealth of the nation in the private sector is hardly going to solve the issue.
For starters it's more likely to reduce employment rather give the incentive for businesses to grow.
...and then there is the lovely Angela's 'employment rights' bill which has been shot down by the investigative committee and described as not fit for purpose.

Tell me what incentives were included in the recent budget which would help grow the economy as he was always promising?

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

You’re deliberately side stepping my point.
I’m not interested in ‘economic orthodoxy’.
I’m interested in the truth.
You cannot even quantify by how much the damage is so your point isn’t valid.
Any claims would be subjective given that with ever shifting global trends, you would need a crystal ball to make any predictions.

What we so know is, we sre performing better than most major EU countries. Not one of your economists predicted that, so let’s lack it in with all this Brexit whinging.

It wasn’t a purely economic decision anyway. It was just as much based ln cultural and democratic concerns.

And no that is mot an invitation for you to start trying to bombard me with remain propoganda talking points about EU democracy.

You're both right and wrong that it wasn't a purely economic decision. For some people, they would have voted Brexit come what may with their financial situation.
For others, the blatant and deliberate misinformation and lies about how the UK economy would fare after Brexit would have been the deciding factor (eg. food will be cheaper they said...). Now that we can all see that the lies were actual lies, a great number of voters now regret their decision, and if the vote was re-run today, it would probably be overturned by a slightly larger margin than 52/48.

That isn't whinging either. It is a dispassionate observation about the state of Brexit and the people's current view, now that they "know" how it will affect us. (Personally, I don't understand why the lies weren't more transparent to every single person in the country, but then again, I must be wired up differently and will never be able to understand. Doesn't stop me trying to, though.)

 

[ey_tony]

You don't seem to understand how this works, Tony.

I understand how it all works Chris but seeing as you interjected, would you care to explain exactly how wealth equality can be achieved and how it can improve the quality of services?

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

Starmer is a carbon copy of Boris except Boris has more charm.

Starmer can’t stop lying
He can’t keep it in his pants
And he’s incredibly thin skinned
He takes gifts and donations
And he is ideologically incredibly authoritarian, where Boris is neither.

LOL, nope.


Claim: Starmer can’t stop lying. Citation, please. Or it didn't happen.
Claim: He can’t keep it in his pants. Citation, please. Or it didn't happen
Claim: And he’s incredibly thin skinned. Explain, please. I don't see it.
Claim: He takes gifts and donations. Correction - Starmer accepted gifts and noted them in the register of member's interests. Boris went out asking for gifts and upon receipt deliberately withheld the information, and even when questioned said that he "couldn't remember" or "had changed his phone and couldn't access old messages". There is a world of difference.


So on the strength of but a single claim, observable reality dictates that Starmer is not, in fact, a "carbon copy" of Boris.

Bad luck, old bean.
Doesn't matter how many times this lie is repeated - it doesn't make it true.

 

[Delaney]

You're both right and wrong that it wasn't a purely economic decision. For some people, they would have voted Brexit come what may with their financial situation.
For others, the blatant and deliberate misinformation and lies about how the UK economy would fare after Brexit would have been the deciding factor (eg. food will be cheaper they said...). Now that we can all see that the lies were actual lies, a great number of voters now regret their decision, and if the vote was re-run today, it would probably be overturned by a slightly larger margin than 52/48.

That isn't whinging either. It is a dispassionate observation about the state of Brexit and the people's current view, now that they "know" how it will affect us. (Personally, I don't understand why the lies weren't more transparent to every single person in the country, but then again, I must be wired up differently and will never be able to understand. Doesn't stop me trying to, though.)

See what amazes me is that you kinda get yourself to a place where you’re about to have a sensible discussion but then fly off into typical lefty, remoaner talking points.

Both sides told porkies. You cannot just call out the Brexit side, when your side claimed the sky would literally fall in. People ignored the false prophecies of armageddon and voted based on what they believed.

Here’s two other things that will cause food prices to rise. Raising NI, taxing Farmers and mass immigration.

Yet you are likely for all of those things.

 

[Delaney]

I understand how it all works Chris but seeing as you interjected, would you care to explain exactly how wealth equality can be achieved and how it can improve the quality of services?

The answer will be socialism lol

 

[RobinBHM]

So what?

Well Trump,supporters like Delaney said:

Trump’s view on the economy and freedom of expression, is a better direction for the US, than under that proposed by the Democrats"

But it’s not, is it

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

I understand how it all works Chris but seeing as you interjected, would you care to explain exactly how wealth equality can be achieved and how it can improve the quality of services?

Disingenuous.

Wealth equality is not an aim.
Reducing the inequality is definitely a part of the aim of an equitable society. If society as a whole gets more wealthy, a more equitable society would endure that any wealth increase is reflected across the broadest levels of society, instead of the current situation of the the already wealthiest leveraging that wealth to ensure that they significantly increase their wealth while the rest of society suffers a real terms decrease in their living standards. It also stands to reason that if the entire economy were to shrink, then, in an equitable society, the wealthiest ought not to significantly increase their wealth and expect the burdens of society to be borne by the least wealthy in society. In an equitable society, an overall shrinkage of the economy ought to mean an equitable reduction for all members of society.

There is a difference between that and what you wrote.

Apologies if you already knew all that, it just didn't appear to me that you understood the premise at all...

Did I get anything incorrect?

 

[mudman]

See what amazes me is that you kinda get yourself to a place where you’re about to have a sensible discussion but then fly off into typical lefty, remoaner talking points.

Both sides told porkies. You cannot just call out the Brexit side, when your side claimed the sky would literally fall in. People ignored the false prophecies of armageddon and voted based on what they believed.

Here’s two other things that will cause food prices to rise. Raising NI, taxing Farmers and mass immigration.

Yet you are likely for all of those things.

This is an interesting thread on X: FIFTY BREXIT BENEFITS - MEGATHREAD (not my capitals)
I posted it before and it was pretty much ignored but is very interesting if you take the time to digest it. Of course the resident troll did respond with his usual crap and did what he always does when there is something that might disprove his rants in that instead of actually reading it, he demanded a summary and that it was obvious that it would be rubbish as it was posted on X. Pretty typical but I haven't seen a rebuttal of it anywhere yet. It would be interesting to see one.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

Tony, would you concede that changing your avatar to a picture of Donald Trump is slightly trollish behaviour?

LOL

I actually don't care much about the fact that tony has done that, it's a wee bit funny, although the humour is somewhat dulled by the realisation that there must have been a specific reason for him to do so.
I'm therefore laughing AT it, not with it.
<Chuckles>

 

[mudman]

This is an interesting thread on X: FIFTY BREXIT BENEFITS - MEGATHREAD (not my capitals)
I posted it before and it was pretty much ignored but is very interesting if you take the time to digest it. Of course the resident troll did respond with his usual crap and did what he always does when there is something that might disprove his rants in that instead of actually reading it, he demanded a summary and that it was obvious that it would be rubbish as it was posted on X. Pretty typical but I haven't seen a rebuttal of it anywhere yet. It would be interesting to see one.

Now up to 75: 75 Brexit Benefits - Mega Thread

I've not read all the new ones yet but #60 was an interesting one: https://x.com/TerraOrBust/status/1854302089280720971

 

[RobinBHM]

This is an interesting thread on X: FIFTY BREXIT BENEFITS - MEGATHREAD (not my capitals)
I posted it before and it was pretty much ignored but is very interesting if you take the time to digest it. Of course the resident troll did respond with his usual crap and did what he always does when there is something that might disprove his rants in that instead of actually reading it, he demanded a summary and that it was obvious that it would be rubbish as it was posted on X. Pretty typical but I haven't seen a rebuttal of it anywhere yet. It would be interesting to see one.

this is not a Brexit thread.

Do you have any comment on Trumps top team or his latest policies

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

Have you got a cat Robin as you're decidedly quiet!

Well I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees it differently.

I expect that you are in a vanishing minority, since I'm certain that most people have enough of an understanding to realise that it is Trump's actions that fall decidedly short of what we expect in a Leader of the Free World; and it is those actions that we rail against:

Convicted Multiple Felon;
Adjudicated Rapist;
Self Confessed serial sexual assault and misogynist.
Unlawfully paid a sex worker out of political party funds.
Funded abortions.
Incited riots in the White House.

Can I ask you, tony, who is your second-favourite rapist?


Understand this, tony: This is not hatred of Trump. It is disgust of his actions. It is disgust that others think his actions are acceptable.
Of the man himself? I don't know him and therefore don't really possess a credible view.

Understand this, also, tony. To keep claiming that people "hate Trump", when in fact they are providing credible and substantiated commentary as to why Trump's actions are reprehensible, that claim of "Trump haters" is just a downright and deliberate lie. Hopefully you understand this more fully now, take it on board, and don't make the same mistake in future.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

We aren't concerned about the USA as we can't influence anything that happens in the USA but here's an opportunity for you to have a rational discussion involving the UK.
How do you think the UK should go about reducing this so-called wealth inequality and if it can be done how will that improve the quality of public services?

Hmmm, not sure I agree 100%.
The UK has regularly, in the past, been in the envious position to temper the actions and international relationships and policies of the USA.
In the past it has been the UK, through our global links, past experience, diplomacy and global experiences, who have prevented the USA from "going rogue".

I fear that this symbiosis will cease under Trump2 more, even, than it was diminished under Trump1.

And that is not a good thing, in terms of being a global economy. I fully expect that you will see some negative indirect effects yourself.

 

[Jacob]

The rightwhingers are almost entirely balanced by Remainers who 8 years on can't come to terms with the fact they LOST.

Get over it. As a staunch Remainer I was disappointed at the outcome - but the history is written - the objective is to make the future work.

Best way to make it work would be to rejoin.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

Trump's tariff war could cost Americans more than $3,200 a year, experts claim​

American consumers would bear the brunt of Donald Trump's proposed tariffs, new analysis showed on Tuesday night as the world braced for a new era of U.S. protectionist policies.

Large finance organisations provided this forecast prior to the election.
Parallels with Brexit voters are not coincidental.

 

[Jake]

this is not a Brexit thread.

Do you have any comment on Trumps top team or his latest policies

It's not true either.