President Elect's 'top team'

[Jacob]

Perhaps you should ask the 384,000 British soldiers who lost their lives and the families of those who fought and died. I'm sure they will have an opinion regarding the fighting and the millions of people coming here to take advantage of what the people of this country have worked and died for but are considered racists because they object to their nation being taken advantage of!

https://www.google.com/search?q=bri...MjIwOTVqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[Jake]

Putin doesn't trust the West and historically for good reason so it's not hard to see why he would want a buffer zone between Russia and what we call the West.

He's not entitled to a buffer zone if his sovereign neighbours don't agree.

 

[RobinBHM]

Putin doesn't trust the West and historically for good reason so it's not hard to see why he would want a buffer zone between Russia and what we call the West

That’s framing Putin as the victim.

Putin only responds to strength, he must be kicked out of Ukraine

 

[Spectric]

And I have not said that we need to go to war. What we need to do is to stop pussy cat cat cat footing around and give Ukraine the means to resolve the situation themselves.

Yes exactly, we do that and now as far as Russia is concerned it has become a war with NATO and for what purpose, if it ever reached the point where Russia could see Ukraine wining then who knows what would be used to change the direction, Ukraine has several large nuclear plants which could become a Chernobyl event or they might use tactical battlefield nukes to level things up and that is the point, there is no way Ukraine will come out on top so rather than Zelensky slowly but surely deplete his armed forces he needs to talk and come out with something otherwise he will run out of armed forces.

Bulls**t about it amounting to direct NATO involvement is just that.

Whether it is actually NATO involvement or not, it is the perception that is the issue. If Putin perceives NATO involvement for whatever reason it gives him the excuses to use more against Ukraine and political gain.

For a start who said anything about China. They seem to be playing their usual long game.

China has gained a lot from the war in Ukraine, energy for one as they buy a lot of Russian crude at the expense of Saudi and take huge volumes of gas which has made the western sanctions inaffective. Then we have western technology, you can guarantee that a lot of western military hardware captured in Ukraine will end up in China so as they can understand our systems and develop both defensive measures and maybe technological advantage. Lets also not forget that the west continues to raise all sorts of concerns about China, basically just winding them up the wrong way so who do you think they will buddy up with.

Russia and China are working together, working on defence systems and China has supplied Russia with advanced drones, they both see the west as a potntial threat.

take a read

https://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/SSI-Media/Recent-Publications/Display/Article/390856

Tony why did you support Saddam Hussein?

Like him or hate him Saddam if nothing else did keep reasonable peace in the middle east, we took him out and now look at the mess.

 

[ey_tony]

Tony why did you support Saddam Hussein?

Did I actually say I supported Saddam Hussein? If so where did I say it?

I said the war criminal Tony Blair was complicit with Bush in engaging in an illegal war with a sovereign nation and effecting regime change based entirely on LIES and Western propaganda looking for any excuse to justify their attacks which arguably had an underlying agenda which not only laid waste to an entire sovereign nation but was also responsible for the deaths of many hundreds of thousands of innocent people from which that nation let alone the region still hasn't recovered and then you have the audacity to ask me why did I support Saddam?

It's not a case of supporting Saddam, it's a case of supporting what is right and what is not and you appear unable to differentiate between the two.

Pointing out that Blair and Bush are arguably war criminals is not supporting Saddam. Putin has had the same accusations levelled at him by the very people who were quite willing to support the illegal war created by Blair but they have not called for Blair to be held accountable for his monstrous lies and the death and destruction he was complicit in.

That's the problem with debating with left wing zealots and extremists, they are so shallow minded and lacking mental capacity that they inevitably look for any ways to attack the person with whom they're debating rather than enter a debate which is clearly above their heads and your question is a perfect example of that.

 

[ey_tony]

That’s framing Putin as the victim.

Putin only responds to strength, he must be kicked out of Ukraine

Even if it risks the potential of nuclear war if not handled correctly? Good idea, why bother with negotiations when you can simply fight it out.

Exactly what strong arm tactics would you suggest using in order to kick out Putin from Ukraine?

As for your puerile point about framing Putin as a victim....once again your inability to comprehend the depth of the argument shines through.
If you look at the way the West has treated Russia since their revolution, only a fool could not see that the West has never given the Russians any reason to trust the West...especially during and after WW2 ...and have you never heard the term 'Cold War'?

After the break up of the FSU, the West had the opportunity to bring Russia in from the cold so to speak but instead chose to marginalise it with a Western European ideological agenda further expanding eastward so we are where we are with that one and to anyone with an open mind it's not difficult to see why rightly or wrongly the Russians don't trust the West and nothing to do with them being victims.