President Elect's 'top team'

[ey_tony]

If you're considering the current state of the handling of the UK to be comparable to Johnson's time in power then I'd suggest only one of us has difficulties with reality.

...and that isn't me!

 

[Delaney]

All he had to do when got into power was to deal with the economy.. There was no crisis like Covid or recessions and what does he do, he even screws that job up by hamstringing recovering businesses with taxes they they can ill afford which will inevitably increase inflation and risk job losses....for goodness sake Labour can't even identify who is a worker...reality isn't your strong point is it sploo?
I'd like to know how many businesses you left wing guys with all the answers have actually built up from scratch and run throughout your lives...it would sure be interesting to find out!

They can’t identity what a women is either, although Kier has no problem doing so for the purposes of s*x.
I think so far he’s not stumbled into bed with any trans women. Which is probably just happenstance and not any descrimination on his part, or that of the majority of his party.

 

[ey_tony]

You mean the pledges from the 2019 manifesto ? As in those of not the 2024 election there but the previous one.
Which means because that wasnt in this election manifesto can hardly be relevant for the 2024 election.

You said 'lies' this is a plural, so lets hear the rest.

Nick Clegg and his Lib Dems was the party for doing away with tuition fees...they didn't have a straight win so couldn't as it was a coalition so that went out of the window but I think him and his party were badly treated by the public and I've never been a Lib-Dem fan.
Starmer made a big deal of mentioning getting rid of tuition fees.. I suspect a lot people voted for Labour because of that promise and why there are over two million who've signed the petition to have another election.

Tell me the promises he made before the election that he's stuck to!

 

[RobinBHM]

A positive action is to collectively identify how the deficiencies now identified can be effectively addressed to improve future outcomes. There may be disagreement along the way - but constructive debate with a common goal trounces playing the blame game.

With the Isolationist Trump presidency I would say UK would do well to rebuild relationship with our European partner and form a stronger security and military alliance as a starting point..........Ukraine isnt that far from us really.

most of the economic issues we have had have been leaving the Single Market, so I would suggest we re align where we can..........I know brexers will be upset but the reality is the UK has barely diverged on standards at all, so some form of dynamic alignment especially on agrifoods would be a benefit without much in the way of headache for industry.

 

[Delaney]

So the answer to providing any evidence to back up your claims is "no".

Normal people know that Delaney is a compulsive liar.

Is that OK for me to say? No. I'd hope not. I have no evidence to support the above claim - but it appears you're OK with people making such strong statements without evidencing them. That's a dangerous path.

Will this do?



Let me know which number you want to go for.
It’s even one of your lefty hangouts ‘Novara Media’

 

[RobinBHM]

Starmer made a big deal of mentioning getting rid of tuition fees

no he didnt

Starmer made 10 pledges as part of his leadership campaign and all it said in pledge no 2 no social justice was

"Support the abolition of tuition fees and invest in lifelong learning."

Its an aspiration, nothing else and it was before the economic damage of covid and costof living crisis

 

[RobinBHM]

Will this do?



Let me know which number you want to go for.
It’s even one of your lefty hangouts ‘Novara Media’

I see you cant state whether tariffs will be a good or bad thing for America

why is that?

maybe you supported Trump but you didnt know why...............

You dont seem to have any opinion no the appalling people he has picked to head the govt either

seems you were full of opinions before he got elected.............but not now the sh1ts starting to hit

 

[Delaney]

no he didnt

Starmer made 10 pledges as part of his leadership campaign and all it said in pledge no 2 no social justice was

"Support the abolition of tuition fees and invest in lifelong learning."

Its an aspiration, nothing else and it was before the economic damage of covid and costof living crisis

Ah yes the famous “pledge” is now an “aspiration”.

This is why there is no point in playing silly games with people who just want to win an argument. No matter the facts or reality, it’s all just an opportunity to engage in gaslighting.

 

[Delaney]

I see you cant state whether tariffs will be a good or bad thing for America

why is that?

maybe you supported Trump but you didnt know why...............

You dont seem to have any opinion no the appalling people he has picked to head the govt either

seems you were full of opinions before he got elected.............but not now the sh1ts starting to hit

Ok option 6. Straight to deflection lol.

 

[RobinBHM]

Ah yes the famous “pledge” is now an “aspiration”.

WRONG

the words are very clear, it was always just an aspiration thats why it said

"Support the abolition of tuition fees and invest in lifelong learning."

you and Tony are trying to make it as though it said "get rid of tuition fees" but it didnt

 

[RobinBHM]

Ok option 6. Straight to deflection lol.

Please can you say whether you think Trumps tariffs are going to be good or bad

before the election you said

"Trump’s view on the economy and freedom of expression, is a better direction for the US, than under that proposed by the Democrats"

so what did you base that on, can you provide the evidence please

 

[Jacob]

WRONG

the words are very clear, it was always just an aspiration thats why it said

"Support the abolition of tuition fees and invest in lifelong learning."

you and Tony are trying to make it as though it said "get rid of tuition fees" but it didnt

Stretching it a bit!
"Support the abolition of tuition fees" and "get rid of tuition fees" definitely do mean the same thing!
In Starmerneverneverland you can support the abolition of tuition fees without actually abolishing them.
In the real world "abolishing" means much the same as "getting rid of", or "ending", "terminating" etc.
Hope that helps.

PS interesting reading the various verdicts on the orange man's victory. One common theme emerging is that Harris was too timid, not radical or "woke" enough, too cautious/nervous. People want "change" and any change (Trump, Reform, Fartrage etc) is better than non.
Could say the same about Starmer's low turnout; nowhere near Corbyn's - still highest Labour turnout this century - and the most radical agenda.
Hope that helps.

 

[Chris152]

The problem with extremists is, they are met with extremism.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6kj383k4ko

 

[RobinBHM]

"Support the abolition of tuition fees" and "get rid of tuition fees" definitely do mean the same thing

no they dont

"support the abolition" and "get rid of" are not the same

words have meaning Jacob, thats why we use them

in any case it would not be a good use of tax money

 

[RobinBHM]

The problem with extremists is, they are met with extremism.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6kj383k4ko

it is a worry, I have wondered whether there would be another attempt on Trump, but I guess security is now at supermax ++++

 

[Delaney]

Stretching it a bit!
"Support the abolition of tuition fees" and "get rid of tuition fees" definitely do mean the same thing!
In Starmerneverneverland you can support the abolition of tuition fees without actually abolishing them.
In the real world "abolishing" means much the same as "getting rid of", or "ending", "terminating" etc.
Hope that helps.

PS interesting reading the various verdicts on the orange man's victory. One common theme emerging is that Harris was too timid, not radical or "woke" enough, too cautious/nervous. People want "change" and any change (Trump, Reform, Fartrage etc) is better than non.
Could say the same about Starmer's low turnout; nowhere near Corbyn's - still highest Labour turnout this century - and the most radical agenda.
Hope that helps.

Blloomim’ell Jacob.

We are in agreement.

 

[Chris152]

it is a worry, I have wondered whether there would be another attempt on Trump, but I guess security is now at supermax ++++

Aye. But it could lead to all kinds of division and violence.

 

[Jacob]

no they dont

"support the abolition" and "get rid of" are not the same

words have meaning Jacob, thats why we use them

Yes.
What is the difference? Does Starmer support the "abolition", but not the "getting rid of"?

in any case it would not be a good use of tax money

Oh yes it most certainly would. And a massive expansion in further ed, training , etc etc.

 

[Delaney]

Please can you say whether you think Trumps tariffs are going to be good or bad

before the election you said

"Trump’s view on the economy and freedom of expression, is a better direction for the US, than under that proposed by the Democrats"

so what did you base that on, can you provide the evidence please

No we’re talking about Starmer being a rotten liar. I’ve shown you evidence, you denied it’s viability (i think that was option 3).

Here have some more

 

[Jacob]

Blloomim’ell Jacob.

We are in agreement.

Paths can cross but without going in the same direction!
I do think Starmer is an appalling liar, but worse than that he has no basic moral compass - still supplying arms and supporting Israel. From the start it has been the only consistent thing about him and it is one thing on which he has made no promises to break later, instead just turned a blind eye.