Paper Backed Veneers

[Ian]

Hi

The question I am asking is has anyone tried to back there own veneers with paper, the reason I am asking this is for those delicate veneers it might make them more Stable and keep them flat which would be easier for cutting,bookmatching and marquetry.

Cheers

Ian

 

[Chris Knight]

Ian,
I have never tried this but I have seen newspaper used for the purpose. I find that a simple coat of thin glue does quite a good job although I have only used it for smallish pieces (say a foot square or so)

 

[Steve Maskery]

There was a time when you could buy veneer like this. Maybe you still can, I don't know. I have a roll of the stuff underneath my bench, I can't even remember what kind of wood it is, but I think it dates from before WW2. It's certainly older than I am.

I'd forgotten I had it until you posted.

S

 

[Ian]

You can buy paper backed veneers called decoflex but not for the harder to work types which I think would be a real bonus.

I found some info on the net and have pasted it in below.

Backing Paper
Always use backing paper to stiffen and reinforce veneers. Stiff brown
paper or ‘lay out’ paper are good backing paper.
Fix to veneer with white PVA glue.

cheers

Ian

 

[mrwilby]

How strange.

I was just about to post a thread asking if anybody knew where to buy this stuff from.

It seems *nobody* in Europe makes it.

I've found quite a few places in the USA where you can import from, but the shipping is understandably quite expensive.

Still, I think I may just have to go for it as I've run out of options this side of the pond.

 

[Ian]

heres a place

http://www.heritage-timber.co.uk/flexi.php

Decoflex flexable veneer ( paperbacked )

 

[JonnyD]

Also available here http://www.edens.co.uk/gfx/ul/files/Page17_1.pdf

its called masterflex flexible veneer.

jon

 

[mrwilby]

Sorry to hijack the thread... but.... Brilliant guys, many thanks, I had just about given up!

 

[Rknott2007]

if your after the paper backing for the veneer we use it at work, try searching for yorkite, its a brownish colour paper, although you do have to be careful when lipping so you do not see the brown line, if the piece is to be stained then its not really a problem, if its a natural finish or lighter timber, its usually best to lip with veneer after the faces have been veneered, rather than solid timber edging before veneering.
Hope this helps
Cheers
Rob

 

[Ian]

Hi Rob I had heard about yorkite but the search only showed up suppliers in the USA

Where do you get it from?

Ian

 

[Rknott2007]

Not too sure, i will find out at work 2moz, how much roughly were you after? we have lots of offcuts I may be able to help you out.

Cheers
Rob

 

[Ian]

Yes offcuts would be great if there big enough, the biggest I need would be 250mmx350mm

cheers

Ian

 

[Derek Willis.]

I recently made a chessboard top for a table, I cut lenths of veneer on a guillotine and stuck them alternately onto paper with spray adhesive, then cutting again to form alternate strips, it worked very well. you could use P.V.A. but then you would have to cramp it in place.
Derek.

 

[Ian]

Hi Derek

I dont have any problems pressing it I was just concerned about the paper type for gluing, I want to avoid the risk of the veneer lifting of the paper.

Cheers

Ian

 

[Derek Willis.]

Ian,
Sorry I missed that,
I used lining paper because of it't nox-waxed finish or any other finish for that matter.
Derek.

 

[Ian]

Sorry Derek but what is lining paper?

Ian

 

[Derek Willis.]

Paper sold to line walls, in any builders, decorators merchants or diy shop, many different grades and thicknesses, don't use a thin one though.
Derek.

 

[Ian]

Thanks Derek

Ian

 

[tnimble]

To clarify a few things: There is paper backed veneer and there is backing veneer with paper.

The paper backed veneer often revered to as flexveneer are large rolls of thick industrial grade paper onto which in a factory jointed veneers are glued. The jointed veneers are either slip or sometimes bookmatched. The intention of this product is as a decorative finish over a constructive part. It has the same intended uasge of decorative grade plywood.

In some decorative techniques like Marquetry and inlay a small sheet of veneer (being it a wood, ivory, shell, metal) is sometimes to brittle to be sawn without breaking up, or a veneer must be protected from harm when sawing stacks of materials. The solution is to use thin sheets of paper (to save costs news paper can sometimes be recycled for this, beware of the printing inks present) are inserted between multiple sheets of veneer or glued to one or both sides of the veneer. After final glueup sometimes the paper will be on the show side and must be scraped and sanded off.