Old vice

[Kevin gray]

Brought a very large vice in a job lot of old tools and it had no makers mark on it until I took it apart, then I noticed a mark (see photo) it’s a very strange vice but I would just like someone to tell me the value and more information on it if they can

 

[AndyT]

May I refer you to Mr Nabs' excellent and thorough research into the history of the quick release vice, including the Entwhistle & Kenyon

evolution-of-the-record-52-1-2-quick-release-vice-t106895.html

 

[t8hants]

Can't give you a value, because I suspect you name a price and see if it sells. I rescued mine from becoming hardcore as the muppet who chucked it there couldn't work out how it worked, or that you only needed to undo four bolts to get it moving again after it had rusted up. Apart from that it has replaced my large Record machine vice and I wish I could find the carpentry version in more rubble.

 

[nabs]

thanks for the plug Andy, although I am afraid that thread is a bit rambling even by my standards!

I summarised the little I could find about the Entwisle and Kenyon vices here.

The part above looks like the toothed block from their "instantaneous grip" woodworkers vice (I confess I did not know they made any other kind).

No idea on value I'm afraid - there do not seem to be many survivors. I am sure there are people who will be interested from a historical perspective but better designs were invented not long after it was made, so you are probably going to need to find a vice geek to sell to

please post some more pics if you have time!

 

[Kevin gray]

Many thanks for your reply. The link you have put I have seen it before, I still can’t find the one I have, the ones that are pictured in the link are not the same as mine, will definitely get you some more photos of it today so everyone can see

 

[dannyr]

If the vice in question for in this thread is a different E&K we (well I at least) would be interested to see a picture.
I find the vice history very interesting (why no dedicated steel/iron woodworking vices before that point and suddenly a rush of invention including several types of quick release, in around 1880?*) - and Nick's history could be well ramble even more for my taste.
I have a Syer from the same time, same part of country (but London branded) and with a similar action (see Nick's blog) and find it an excellent vice - I'd rate it slightly higher than the Record 52/53 etc but each to their taste.
I have tried a Kenyon & E and find it very similar.
In the USA the successors (eg Sheldon) to this type are rather sought after still.
*(there were a few USA w-w, non QR, about 1870)
More historic vices please - we know they're not just collectors items, but can work well after nearly a century and a half.

 

[Kevin gray]

If the vice in question for in this thread is a different E&K we (well I at least) would be interested to see a picture.
I find the vice history very interesting (why no dedicated steel/iron woodworking vices before that point and suddenly a rush of invention including several types of quick release, in around 1880?*) - and Nick's history could be well ramble even more for my taste.
I have a Syer from the same time, same part of country (but London branded) and with a similar action (see Nick's blog) and find it an excellent vice - I'd rate it slightly higher than the Record 52/53 etc but each to their taste.
I have tried a Kenyon & E and find it very similar.
In the USA the successors (eg Sheldon) to this type are rather sought after still.
*(there were a few USA w-w, non QR, about 1870)
More historic vices please - we know they're not just collectors items, but can work well after nearly a century and a half.

 

[Kevin gray]

thanks for the plug Andy, although I am afraid that thread is a bit rambling even by my standards!

I summarised the little I could find about the Entwisle and Kenyon vices here.

The part above looks like the toothed block from their "instantaneous grip" woodworkers vice (I confess I did not know they made any other kind).

No idea on value I'm afraid - there do not seem to be many survivors. I am sure there are people who will be interested from a historical perspective but better designs were invented not long after it was made, so you are probably going to need to find a vice geek to sell to

please post some more pics if you have time!

 

[dannyr]

Most impressive -a collector's piece or a great workshop user -- must weigh a bit.
A great engineering/metalworking vice. Neither did I know K&E made such, but why not - Parkinson's (then Woden, Record and others) used their different quick release for a huge range of vice types.
danny

 

[Kevin gray]

Yes this is very large and heavy
I’m hopping there will be someone that will use it, I’m not looking to use it. It’s a fantastic peace and would keep it in the bench but it most likely collect to much dust. I have read so much about the vice now I’m getting attached to it I also have a few more I have brought over the years. But this is the most strange one I have seen
Many thanks
Kevin

 

[nabs]

many thanks for posting Kevin, it does look a cracker. A US maker called Massey made a copy of the E&K woodworkers vice under license in the late 1800s so, now you have found a metalworkers vice by E&K, I guessed they will have also made that too. Looks like this was the case:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/sho ... ght=massey
(slightly worse condition than yours! You might need to sign up to the Garage Journal forum to see the image:

This might be a way to find out a bit more about it - I'll have a look around.

 

[nabs]

Here is your vice I think - shown top left.

This is from the Buck & Hickman 1913 catalogue (note the same "instantaneous grip" mechanism is also used in the rather more complicated vice below). It looks like E&K licensed the design to several companies, which is presumably why there is no branding on the vice

 

[1NRO]

Cheeky first post, my apologies.

If the vice is for sale I'd be interested