New Bergerac

[stuart little]

Any comments on this 'New' woke-edition? I for one am, I found it 'racist' against Caucasians, with SO many non-Caucasian police officers in such a confine on Jersey. Some reviews said the series is 'dark' - I know what that means now. I saw more non-white officers in one episode than I've ever seen in the West Mercia! How can the producers expect us to accept the credibility of the production? It needs a reverse 'trigger warning', as I took offence! The music was so loud, more like that at a 'rave', making dialogue difficult to hear. One episode was one too many, so I for one, won't be watching any more. Oh, as for the characters, not at all impressed, especially Crozier (very annoying), & where did Molony spring from - never 'eard of 'im. Charley Hungerford having a 'gender swap'????/??

PS. No offence intended, but it does help when life as it is, is portrayed realistically - but then again it's become a 'Nanny-State'. I am NOT racist, BUT, I believe it should work BOTH ways.

 

[Eshmiel]

PS. No offence intended, but it does help when life as it is, is portrayed realistically - but then again it's become a 'Nanny-State'. I am NOT racist, BUT, I believe it should work BOTH ways.

Ha ha - I do enjoy it when one reveals all by protesting what "I'm not ...". But I detect that you may prefer a different reality from that traditional in Britain - perhaps one akin to that of the mad place over the Atlantic? Survival of the fittest (at exploiting others without limit)! Are you fit enough?

You seem, though, to be at least a racialist. This is defined as someone who believes that the concept of human racial differences is valid - not necessarily that some of the so-called races are inferior, necessarily .... but that's often tagged on, since its a primary driver of the notion of racialism in the first place. Why does it matter to you what skin colour appears on actors? Must we also ensure that certain nose shapes or ratios between trunk length and leg length are reflective of some median or other? Are eye colours important?

"Nanny state". Where would we all be without that nanny, eh? Us Boomers would likely be dead of being a child, a not unusual outcome for the bairns born before the welfare state in Blighty. Even the survivors tended to get minced as cannon fodder or industrial-process wastage instead.

Perhaps you should have your local police, roads, NHS et al denied you to see how well you do without nanny in attendance? Sadly, this condition seems to be slowly being foisted on all of us. Nanny has been forcibly retired, it seems. Let's hope there's no burglars or illness about to mug you. Or me!

 

[stuart little]

Ha ha - I do enjoy it when one reveals all by protesting what "I'm not ...". But I detect that you may prefer a different reality from that traditional in Britain - perhaps one akin to that of the mad place over the Atlantic? Survival of the fittest (at exploiting others without limit)! Are you fit enough?

You seem, though, to be at least a racialist. This is defined as someone who believes that the concept of human racial differences is valid - not necessarily that some of the so-called races are inferior, necessarily .... but that's often tagged on, since its a primary driver of the notion of racialism in the first place. Why does it matter to you what skin colour appears on actors? Must we also ensure that certain nose shapes or ratios between trunk length and leg length are reflective of some median or other? Are eye colours important?

"Nanny state". Where would we all be without that nanny, eh? Us Boomers would likely be dead of being a child, a not unusual outcome for the bairns born before the welfare state in Blighty. Even the survivors tended to get minced as cannon fodder or industrial-process wastage instead.

Perhaps you should have your local police, roads, NHS et al denied you to see how well you do without nanny in attendance? Sadly, this condition seems to be slowly being foisted on all of us. Nanny has been forcibly retired, it seems. Let's hope there's no burglars or illness about to mug you. Or me!

Not in the view I intended it to sound. It's the way that 'equality' (which I'm in favour of) is, as in this case, very OTT. (IMHO)
I was just commenting, that for the State of Jersey to have so many non-caucasian polis officers in one station is highly improbable. Unless a boat load of illegals landed on their shores & all got recruted!!

 

[niall Y]

I think when one watches a series it is obviously make believe - a fiction. For one to be drawn into this fiction and continue to watch, things have to be plausible, at least within the context of the story.
Apart from productions, that are pure fantasy, one has to be convinced that the story being told could actually be real. Otherwise people will just disengage, and lose interest.

 

[stuart little]

I think when one watches a series it is obviously make believe - a fiction. For one to be drawn into this fiction and continue to watch, things have to be plausible, at least within the context of the story.
Apart from productions, that are pure fantasy, one has to be convinced that the story being told could actually be real. Otherwise people will just disengage, and lose interest.

Exactly, your last sentence sums up my comments as I intended

 

[Nail]

Exactly, your last sentence sums up my comments as I intended

Losing interest because of the colour of the actors skin or their gender?

 

[TheUnicorn]

I watched it, didn't particuarly strike me as overly woke, I don't really remember the original, I do remember charlie being male in the original and I definately remember the original arrangement of the theme tune being much better. If i was more familiar with the original the changes would probably have stood out more. I do always wonder why bother remaking a show / film / book whatever and then make extensive changes, why not write something entirely new?

 

[Nail]

My guess is that more people watched it because of the Bergerac name rather than if it had been a new detective drama.

 

[TheUnicorn]

My guess is that more people watched it because of the Bergerac name rather than if it had been a new detective drama.

you are probably right, bit of a con really

 

[Eshmiel]

I think when one watches a series it is obviously make believe - a fiction. For one to be drawn into this fiction and continue to watch, things have to be plausible, at least within the context of the story.
Apart from productions, that are pure fantasy, one has to be convinced that the story being told could actually be real. Otherwise people will just disengage, and lose interest.

Something of a contradiction in that, though - its fiction and make believe but it has to be "realistic". I suppose it depends on the type of fiction. Some fictions aim to be not-fictional in their context but fictional only in their story. A TV detective play might be one of those. Science fiction, on the other hand ......

So, what counts as "unrealistic". Is it "anything not the current status quo" or is it rather, "things that are impossible".

Is it impossible for characters in a fiction set in Jersey for a number of them to have dark skin colours? No. Why does it matter, then? Because racialists (including a portion of them that are also racist) say that they prefer the status quo. Why do they prefer the status quo? We can guess.

Perhaps, then, to please the sensibilities of "realists", every aspect of the context of a play or other fiction should be measured, gauged, judged and otherwise examined to ensure that various "realism" parameters are met. These parameters might include skin colour but if such an inconsequential human attribute is counted and rationed, we should do the same for a whole long list of other human features, should we not? Height and weight. Hair colour and whether its straight, curly, wavy, thinning, profuse or dyed. Ratio of waist to chest measurement. Accent or lack of it. Gender. Political persuasion. Religion. A long list of genetically determined conditions such as the propensity to develop certain illnesses. Age.

Would any dramas ever get aired? The "realism" committee could be at it for years! By the time they'd reached the appropriate counts of character characteristics, the status quo will have changed and they'll have to do it all again!

Alternatively, try unseeing the skin colour.