Morticing Defeat.

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Is it possible that you are too tense and trying too hard?

I've found that sawing becomes easier for me when I relax and let myself loosen up. The saw seems to travel much more easily when I let it do the work with much less pull/push from me.
 
"I have a tendency to drift to the right away from the line,"

Is that you or the saw?
If the set is wrong the saw will drift
 
D_W":3bkpxz6l said:
MrTeroo":3bkpxz6l said:
Here is a better splitting and paring video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H3VTOpumi58

This looks novel, like it would be fun just because splitting wood is fun. But, it also looks like it would've taken a fraction of the time to just saw the tenon. In every case.
From what I've seen, with skill and experience the splitting is much quicker (a check to see where the grain's going, then adjust the chisel as necessary and tap down).

For me, there's lots of extra time because I'll split (or saw) fat, then creep up on the right size - but that's just my inexperience.
 
My experience with the 16 bridle joints, open mortice and tenons, or whatever they are called on my windows:
- Initially i thought my saw was poorly set and was drifting in the cut. However it turned out to be my skills (poor workman and tools etc). By about joint 12 I found a relaxed feeling whereby once I'd cut a vertical saw kerf I could allow the saw to fall forwards and everything would end up square. I knew instantly when my technique was off as the saw would not move easily in the cut, I learnt to stop, think and go again as it would only get worse if I carried on regardless.
- I improved cutting waste closer to the knife line. By the end i could get to within less than a mm of the line, initially I was having to stay 1-2mm from the line to ensure i didn't impinge on the line by the end of the cut. Strong linkage to point above.
- I was never confident enough to split the remaining waste away, i'm with sploo and did lots of creeping up on the line. I did notice that as my paring skills improved i could take heavier 'parings' a could control the chisel to keep the paring of an equal thickness.
- Chisel sharpness is king in all of this, I would touch-up the edge as soon as paring stared to split not cut the waste away.
- At the start I could get roughly one joint cut in an evening in the shed (yes about 3hours for 1 mortice and 1 tenon)*, on the last window I managed all four corners in one session (about 4hrs+), so i'd sped up considerably. Speeding up was better marking out, knifing, cutting out the waste, paring to the line, etc etc.

Regards

Fitz.

*joints have dissimilar length shoulders to take account of the window rebate, and shoulders on some tenons are sloped to account for the angle on the cill. That's my excuse for why i'm so slow and I'm sticking to it!
 
sploo":30rsjxrx said:
D_W":30rsjxrx said:
MrTeroo":30rsjxrx said:
Here is a better splitting and paring video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H3VTOpumi58

This looks novel, like it would be fun just because splitting wood is fun. But, it also looks like it would've taken a fraction of the time to just saw the tenon. In every case.
From what I've seen, with skill and experience the splitting is much quicker (a check to see where the grain's going, then adjust the chisel as necessary and tap down).

For me, there's lots of extra time because I'll split (or saw) fat, then creep up on the right size - but that's just my inexperience.

If the wood was perfect, perhaps the two could work at the same speed - that is assuming that the person with the saw is sawing right to the line. There are times that I still have to clean off a tenon, but I try to shoot for nothing more than a few strokes of a float if that's the case.

I can't get local cherry here good enough to split tenons, either.
 
MrTeroo":3e05j0xb said:
Here is a better splitting and paring video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H3VTOpumi58
I tried this yesterday on some scraps and am now a convert. I couldn't believe how quick and easy it is. For anybody else thinking of giving it a go I would suggest practising on scrap first so as to learn how to read the grain after the test chop. It quickly becomes clear where you need to stop short of the line and where you can go directly to it.

Thank you very much for the tip, Mr Teroo.
 
D_W":3f8jzk71 said:
MrTeroo":3f8jzk71 said:
Here is a better splitting and paring video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H3VTOpumi58

This looks novel, like it would be fun just because splitting wood is fun. But, it also looks like it would've taken a fraction of the time to just saw the tenon. In every case.

I have to disagree with this. If the grain is straight splitting is loads faster and easier than sawing. I started splitting them on long pieces that could not be held in the vice. If the tenons are long then I always do stop cuts parallel to the shoulder cut maybe 11/2" apart. I tend to split all tenons now unless the grain is not straight, when I whip out the tenon saw. I haven't watched the video linked above, but it is often the case that instructional videos are slower than the actual work because the maker is explaining. Give it a go, after you get the hang of it I bet your tenon saw sees loads less action.
Paddy
 

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