ML-210 model makers lathe

[Bofield]

Hi I have just acquired a model makers lathe it is labelled as a Record
ML210 it also has a milling attachment anyone have any ideas where where I can get a suitable chuck for the lathe and collets and collet nut for the milling attachment. Also any advice on tooling would be much appreciated.
Thanks

 

[Droogs]

have a try on this lots forum

https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/

 

[AES]

I think, (rpt, only THINK) that despite the Record label this was/is actually a small lathe made by a Japanese manufacturer whose name began with "M" (sorry, can't remember much more than that). BUT this M210, plus a larger model called something like M340 were available here in Switzerland under the original Japanese manufacturer's name about 30 years ago.

Apparently they were pretty good, quite accurate, had a good range of accessories, etc, etc, but were also quite expensive (can't remember how much). They certainly had a good reputation here anyway.

The reason I remember is I was considering buying one but didn't for one reason and another. By the time I was back in the lathe market they had disappeared (here anyway) and seemed to have been "replaced" in that market by the (in)famous Chinese Mini Lathe of various models (one of which I now own).

As said, after all this time my memory is quite hazy but Droogs is bang on, the "ME"/"MEW" magazines site will undoubtedly tell you more (and confirm/deny my memory). Also try the "Lathes UK" website - link in the sticky at the tope of this Metalworking section.

IF I am correct and it turns out that your lathe is indeed one of the "Japanese beauties" I'm referring to, do let us know more please - I'm a real sucker to know what I've missed out on!

 

[RichardG]

Toyo, Manix, Saki & Proxxon lathes

 

[AES]

Thanks Richard. Yup Toyo was the name I was trying to remember (it doesn't even START with M)!!!!!!!

Personally I've never heard of either Manix or Saki (but I'm NO lathe expert). AFAIK Proxxon is still available and made in Germany, nothing to do with Toyo (pix I've seen of both don't even look similar)!

BUT (to the OP) don't trust my memory, you've already seen (above) how good it isn't)!

 

[Jelly]

I think, (rpt, only THINK) that despite the Record label this was/is actually a small lathe made by a Japanese manufacturer whose name began with "M" (sorry, can't remember much more than that). BUT this M210, plus a larger model called something like M340 were available here in Switzerland under the original Japanese manufacturer's name about 30 years ago.

It was Toyo who made them for Record, details here.

You're right about the excellent reputation too!

I think the Japanese maker beginning with M you're thinking of is Mori-Seiki, who went on to form DMG-Mori, who areca big name in the CNC turning market for their Swiss Machines (type of lathe, not country of origin). They have the same kind of Rep as DSG/Monarch and Hardinge, but the Toyo's are apparently not so far behind.

 

[Lons]

have a try on this lots forum

https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/

Thanks for that link Droogs, I've had a poke about on there and found much of interest relating to my little Cowells 90ME.

 

[AES]

@Lons: Back when I subscribed to "MEW" there was a series of articles on the Cowells lathe. I can't remember for whom but I scanned the lot and sent them to someone here as .pdf's. If you wish, send me a PM and I'll dig them out and send them to you. (That was another lathe I fancied back in the day, but as above, I ended up with a Chinese Mini).

Cheers

 

[paulrbarnard]

I remember lusting after one of those many years ago. My Dad was thinking of buying one but went with an ML7 in the end. He still has the Myford in use today, must be 40 years on.
I was given a Chinese mini lathe and a mill a couple of years back. They were both in a pretty poor state adjustment wise including the motor on the mill being loose. The previous owner thought they were simply too low quality and wouldn't work well. It didn't take much to get them in fine working order.
Here is a picture of my metal working area

 

[AES]

Nice set up Paul.

You're right, there seems to be some snobbery about Chinese "junk"! While it's true that some work is needed to get them properly fettled (well mine did anyway) provided you work withing their limitations (basically lack of mass means lack of rigidity) then they're quite capable of producing perfectly adequate results.

 

[Lons]

@Lons: Back when I subscribed to "MEW" there was a series of articles on the Cowells lathe. I can't remember for whom but I scanned the lot and sent them to someone here as .pdf's. If you wish, send me a PM and I'll dig them out and send them to you. (That was another lathe I fancied back in the day, but as above, I ended up with a Chinese Mini).

Cheers

That's extremely kind of you and would definitely be much appreciated. I'm not an experienced user and it's underused but I fully intend to play with it a lot more.
I was incredibly lucky to be gifted the machine which is immaculate and complete with quite a number of accessories, the only condition of the gift was that I don't sell it. It was an old guy I'd know for years, done some paid work for but also a number of no charge and call outs as I liked him and his wife and he was always genuine, he'd bought it and after half a dozen uses lost interest and as I know it cost him well in excess of £2k all that time ago it was very generous, I was lost for words at the time.
I'm a great believer in what goes around comes around but that was an extreme example.

Many thanks, pm sent
Bob

 

[Lons]

I remember lusting after one of those many years ago. My Dad was thinking of buying one but went with an ML7 in the end. He still has the Myford in use today, must be 40 years on.

Hi Paul
I had the opportunity to buy an old ML7 years ago after a neighbour died. I bought his Meddings pillar drill but didn't have room for the lathe and his mill, there was a boatload of tools and accessories and I found later she took 500 for the lot including a couple of part finished large scale locos and raw materials.
I regret that every time it crosses my mind

 

[Lons]

Thanks Andy
PDF files received and saved, I'll find them very useful as time goes on.
Bob

 

[AES]

No problem mate, happy to help

 

[houtslager]

Sorry to hijack this thread, but as we are talking metal working lathes, I have just nabbed a Myford ML7 for a reasonable price, but no tooling , I've peeked at fleabay but god ! all seems like gold dust prices. Anyone know a decent supplier of turrets, cutters and general accesories for a ML7 ?
Thanks in advance Karl

 

[redhunter350]

Hi I have just acquired a model makers lathe it is labelled as a Record
ML210 it also has a milling attachment anyone have any ideas where where I can get a suitable chuck for the lathe and collets and collet nut for the milling attachment. Also any advice on tooling would be much appreciated.
Thanks

Hi I have just had a look on search engines and there is a machine M = Manix AES is correct, however regarding a chuck for your Record from the photo's I've seen there seems to be more than one type of spindle nose fitting. All following the same theme but differing register diameters and hole PCD for the retaining screws. On Ebay searching Toyo there are a couple of items in Vietnam !
As for a chuck-- plenty of choice but I'm not sure of the size you need, maybe 3.0 inches [75mm] ? Have a look at Sanyo on ebay, a pal bought one and it was very good value, worked better than expected. You will I think have to make your own backplate to mount the chuck -- but look at the Vietnam offering there is a faceplate for Toyo 210 -- a good start and you can use it to mount your blank tech backplate !

 

[AES]

Sorry to hijack this thread, but as we are talking metal working lathes, I have just nabbed a Myford ML7 for a reasonable price, but no tooling , I've peeked at fleabay but god ! all seems like gold dust prices. Anyone know a decent supplier of turrets, cutters and general accesories for a ML7 ?
Thanks in advance Karl

Try Arc Eurotrade (details in the sticky at the top of this section). ALSO, I seem to remember reading that when Myford packed up they got bought out/taken over by some company with a name LIKE RGD Tools (OR similar - sorry, my memory isn't what it was, and anyway I'm not a Myford owner so I only took a passing interest when I read whatever it was a few years back).

I suggest a hunt around in the website for the combined "Model Engineer" and "Model Engineer's Workshop" magazines - again you should find a link in the sticky at the top of this page.

HTH

 

[Democritus]

I’m no metal worker, but I have bought a few bits and bobs from RDG tools. They specialise in engineering tools, particularly for model engineering.

 

[houtslager]

Thanks guys

 

[Bofield]

Many thanks to the response regarding a chuck for my ML210 lathe. I am a wood turner so this lathe is somewhat different to my wood turning lathe where I just screw my chuck onto a known thread size. It will be a bit of a learning curve as I have no engineering experience and some of the terminology is a bit foreign to me but I look forward to using it.