Maybe Gordon Brown is'nt that bad !!!!!!!!
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Digit":1gptcd46 said:
You keep saying that, as if I oppose it. I don't. Rich/you/anyone can say what they like - but, in turn, I can respond how I like. How's that for equality?
If you are hinting that someone has been reporting Rich or you or something, it isn't me. Rich has a complete right to express his disdain for the 'patients' and I have a right to express my disdain of his disdain.
Even when it came down to the view that 'africans were slow of thought because they walk slow', I wouldn't and didn't seek censorship - as I pointed out, it was such a stupid idea, I gave it the ridicule (exercising my own freedom of speech in the process) that it deserved. Of course, I'd rather not have racist views like that expressed on here - because I don't particularly want to see them or encounter them - but I accept that is just my view.
I respond without being insulting. My mother taught me that curtesy costs nothing.
I once expressed a view that sombody yelled Racist at. I was immediately defended by a Pakistani, some things are like beauty, in the mind of the beholder.
Roy.
I once expressed a view that sombody yelled Racist at. I was immediately defended by a Pakistani, some things are like beauty, in the mind of the beholder.
Roy.
And africans are therefore, in the mind of the beholder, slow of thought.
Not everything is relative, Roy. Generally, I wouldn't have expected you to adopt that position. Does it hold true for everything?
Not everything is relative, Roy. Generally, I wouldn't have expected you to adopt that position. Does it hold true for everything?
Shultzy
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Getting back to the Dutch, Ken Bruce on Radio 2 this morning said that in Amsterdam there is a park where it is legal to make love on a park bench but your dog must be kept on a lead !!! 
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Shultzy":273injhy said:Getting back to the Dutch, Ken Bruce on Radio 2 this morning said that in Amsterdam there is a park where it is legal to make love on a park bench but your dog must be kept on a lead !!!
You can make 'lurve' to your dog, on a bench, as long as it's on a lead??? Them crazy Dutch guys. :? :?
Shultzy
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
What position?
MPs are allowed to smoke in their workplace/club. You are not, prisoners are allowed to smoke in their cells, the officers aren't.
I happen to think that MPs are in this looking after themselves and deriding the concept of all being equal before the law. More like Animal Farm actually.
Does that make me uncaring because I believe in equality in law?
I defend Rich, not because I happen to know him, I would be objecting to his being insulted if his name was Gordon Brown, or anything else.
I would also defend you if somebody was being insulting.
It isn't necessary.
Roy.
MPs are allowed to smoke in their workplace/club. You are not, prisoners are allowed to smoke in their cells, the officers aren't.
I happen to think that MPs are in this looking after themselves and deriding the concept of all being equal before the law. More like Animal Farm actually.
Does that make me uncaring because I believe in equality in law?
I defend Rich, not because I happen to know him, I would be objecting to his being insulted if his name was Gordon Brown, or anything else.
I would also defend you if somebody was being insulting.
It isn't necessary.
Roy.
gasmansteve
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You know I really do question the wisdom of having a `General` section in a woodworking forum. Members, myself included start off a topic which might be very personal to us but don`t have the slightest wish to offend anyone seem to rapidly get others hot under the collar. I have seen many discussions in the `General` section end up being stopped by the moderators because of the content or direction they were going. Its human nature that people have their own beliefs/thoughts/concerns etc and this will continue regardless. I don`t know Rich from Adam so I know nothing about his caring/uncaring way but wouldn`t for a minute criticise him for his opinions why should I? he has as much right as the rest of us. My point? lets keep personal insults out of UK Workshop.co.uk please.
Best regards
Steve
Best regards
Steve
gasmansteve":2si7m5z9 said:
Relativism gets you so far in life, but it's a rubbish moral compass. I am guessing that you have no experience of how sad, and horrible, some aspects of the caring professions are. I've lived it, and seen it. As it turns out, Rich is in maintenance, not in client contact, and his views are pretty much irrelevant. As I intimated in my first post - for that I am glad.
I think the off-topic section is a valuable part of this forum. There are some great threads past and present here. The problems you describe Steve, are a result of the fact the forum rules keep being ignored.
And compasses can malfunction.
The moral compass of the old Catholic and Protestant Churches caused them to burn people at the stake.
There isn't one single absolute in morality Jake, throughout history every known crime has been justified on moral grounds, from prostitution to torture and murder.
Roy.
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Rich":2wmr5sr3 said:
This is the myth to which smokers cling.
'Smoking relieves stress'.
No, it doesn't!
Smoking is an addiction. The only reason anybody smokes is because they are addicted to nicotine.
When a smoker hasn't had a *** for a while they become agitated and stressed. These are the withdrawal symptoms kicking in. Depending on the smoker's level of addiction this could happen every five minutes, or every few hours.
When a cigarette is lit up the withdrawal symptoms subside. Smokers generally confuse this with 'stress relief'.
The fact is, all smokers are pathetic junkies. It is no different to a herion addict claiming that he only uses it because it 'relieves stress'.
I know - like Roy I used to be a smoker.
And I'm now an anti-smoking Nazi! :lol:
Cheers
Dan
Having just read the previous posts, I feel I must put the record straight,
Having been one of Rich's work colleagues at the hospital I can assure anyone that Rich shows only compassion and care towards the patients,
And yes he does have daily contact how else would he be able to do his work on the wards, which i might add is a first class job. The patients trust him because he goes out of his way to spend time with them and have a chat.
I know for a fact Rich's gripe regarding the smoking shelter is not aimed at the patients but the company he works for.
I find some of the previous posts insulting and highly offensive towards this patient and compassionate man and i can say that in very high authority because I married him.
and what ever views Rich has aired in previous posts they should not be dragged into every post he replys to.
Mrs Rich
Having been one of Rich's work colleagues at the hospital I can assure anyone that Rich shows only compassion and care towards the patients,
And yes he does have daily contact how else would he be able to do his work on the wards, which i might add is a first class job. The patients trust him because he goes out of his way to spend time with them and have a chat.
I know for a fact Rich's gripe regarding the smoking shelter is not aimed at the patients but the company he works for.
I find some of the previous posts insulting and highly offensive towards this patient and compassionate man and i can say that in very high authority because I married him.
and what ever views Rich has aired in previous posts they should not be dragged into every post he replys to.
Mrs Rich
I'm with you there Dan! :lol:
Frankly I'm in a quandary with the government's anti smoking legislation. I strongly reject all governments telling me to stop something 'cos it's good for me.
But without a doubt it has been a good piece of legislation in that it should save quite a few people from an agonising death!
Roy.
Frankly I'm in a quandary with the government's anti smoking legislation. I strongly reject all governments telling me to stop something 'cos it's good for me.
But without a doubt it has been a good piece of legislation in that it should save quite a few people from an agonising death!
Roy.
