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Kalimna

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Greetings again, and apologies for two new posts in quick succession, and also for asking questions that have probably been asked previously....

Following from a previous question of mine, I asked Mr Claus for a shiny table saw, and one duly arrived, courtesy of SHMBO (I hope that is the correct acronym!). Though she did say "I'm not wrapping it - it's bl@@dy heavy!".
What are the pertinent points in setting it up accurately and safely for a newbie? Oh, it's an Axminster TS200, btw. Is it worth replacing the blade it is supplied with, or should I wait and see how I get on with it first?

Secondly, the problems I was having with the Axminster Perform CCBB bandsaw also need addressing.
On closer inspection, I think the thrust bearing needs replacing to start with. So a quick call to Axminster should sort that out.
With a new blade in (I think another, hopefully, quick call to Workshop Heaven should sort that out too. Get ready, Mr Visa), how close should the guide bearings be either side of the blade?
And how far away should the thrust bearing be from the rear of the blade?
Thirdly, without a tension gauge on the machine, how do you know when to stop tightening the blade? Vague "until it sounds musical when pinged" instructions found in a couple of books havent been too helpful, unfortunately.
Lastly, any other suggestions for setting up a bandsaw?


Thank you for any help in this rather long and rambling post!

Adam

p.s. I shall, of course, be posting pictures of the new 'gloat' as soon as it is unpacked and built up!
 
liam8223":3fczoz2w said:
All I can say is cue Mr Steve Maskery........................

indeed

buy his dvds - nuff said

quick call here will sort you out http://www.workshopessentials.com/

Dvds 4 and 5 are "the compleat bandsaw" but you might as well buy the mega bundle and get all 5 imo

steves a member here so you can also pm him if he doesnt piuck up this thread
 
well I just followed your advice (for the 4&5) - I need to get mine running better and have dovetails to do, so now is a good time to invest.

Dave
 
When I got my Scheppach I simply took off the brand new blade and put on a Freud...I am happy with Freuds.

Make sure the land of the blade and the kerf are such a width that they sit either side of the width of your riving knife.

I hear tell WSH blades are also the DBs...I will wait until I need a new one and try that out.

Cheers

Jim
 
I've learnt more about bandsaws watching those 2 vids than from reading loads on t'net.
I also recently got a TS200. At the moment I'm still using the blade which it came with - compared to my old saw it's amazing. I have no idea whether it's a good blade or not - will be ordering a new one at somepoint soon from Matthew, but will likely wait a month or so as there's a fair bit I want/need so might as well get it all at once.
 
Ive just put my money where my mouth is and ordered the mega bundle - 53 notes well spent imo.

interesting to know mathew does blades - ive been looking for a quality supplier since dragon went **** up - currently using axcaliburs but not altogether happy with them
 
It's always good when you feel that you are one ahead of the pack - strictly two as I ordered Maskery 4 & 5 two days ago, and hoping for delivery tomorrow.

I'm comfortable with a table saw - have been since my Dad built one 55 years ago - but the bandsaw is a new experience and guidance on tension, bearing setting, etc, etc. is definitely needed.

Good to see that there is so much recommendation for Steve's DVD's; makes tomorrow's post all the more eagerly anticipated - and of course it will be Saturday - or next Monday and so on before they appear !!

OW
 
I've got this off an american site and IMO it gives very good advice to a bandsaw noobie.

The band saw is a versatile tool that many woodworkers find to be as indispensable as the table saw. It is essential for cutting curves, roughing out turning blanks and re-sawing veneers. The saw gets its name from its narrow steel blade and they range in size from 1/8” to over 1 1/2” in many larger saws. In this issue, we will cover how to tune it up so that it runs trouble free and how to re-saw material. For a woodworker, few things are more satisfying than re-sawing thin sheets of veneer out of a large piece of wood or slicing a great board in half to create two book matched pieces. But to do this the saw must be tuned correctly or the re-saw process will be a disaster. Here are four simple adjustments that will keep your saw cutting true. It’s a good idea to check these adjustments each time you use the saw. You’ll need to check them whenever you change the blade.

* Tension the blade.

* Track the blade.

* Square the blade.

* Adjust the guides.

Tensioning the Blade.

When you install the band saw blade, the first thing to do is put tension on it to hold it on the wheels. Many saws have a gauge that tells how much tension to put on the blade based on its width. Many of these gauges are not very accurate. We suggest that you tighten the blade and then pluck it like a guitar string. The blade should produce a clear tone, rather than a dull thud. We have an Inca 710, which is a 20” three wheel saw, and this procedure works very well. Next check the blade for deflection. Raise the guide all the way up and then push sideways on the blade. It should not deflect more that ¼” to 3/8”inch. The narrow blades will deflect more that wide ones. Some folks recommend that you over tension the blade to correct the saws cutting problems. While it is true that the blades and the saws can stand more tension that the gauges suggest, it is not a good idea to put too much tension on the blades. It can cause the saw’s bearings to fail prematurely. If the saw sits for a long time without use, it can cause flat spots on the tires, which will cause vibration and erratic cuts.

Tracking the Blade.

When your saw is tracking correctly, the blade runs on the middle of the wheels. Adjust the tracking by tilting the top wheel in relation to the bottom wheels. A knob behind the upper wheel housing controls this adjustment. Spin the saw by hand and adjust the tracking control until the blade is running in the middle of the wheel. Lock the control in this position. Replace the cover and plug in the saw. Check the tracking by bumping the switch on an off to check the tracking. The blade should maintain its position. Repeat this several times before running the saw at full speed.

Square the Blade & Table.

This adjustment is often the forgotten one and can cause nothing but problems. It is a very simple adjustment. Loosen the knobs that lock the table in place. Hold a small square on the table with its blade against the saw blade. Square the table to the blade and lock it in place. Under the table, there is usually a stop that you set to automatically square the table after you’ve had it tilted.

Setting the Guides.

Most band saws have two similar sets of guides, one set above the table and the other below. There are two different types of these, one has a rear guide bearing and then two guide blocks. The second has the rear bearing and also two side bearings. The back bearing resists the force that you apply as you push the board past the blade, while the guide blocks or bearings prevent the blade from twisting out of position. Both sets can be adjusted the same way..

Move the guard up about halfway between the table and the top of the case. Depending on how accurately the guard moves up and down you may have to set the guides to allow it to move. Set the rear bearings first, both top and the bottom. Move them forward until they almost touch the blade. Leave about 1/32” gap between the blade and the bearing. We have found that a dollar bill works just fine. Then set the guide blocks or the side bearings using the dollar bill. When all are in place lock them. Your saw should now be ready to run! If you have problems with the way it is cutting after this tune-up, the saw may require more involved adjustment. There may be a problem with the alignment of the wheels with one another, balancing the wheels and adjusting the drive train. This is time for the owner’s manual to assist with these problems.

Quick tips!

Clean tires!

One-way to prolong the life of the band saw tires is to keep them clean. To install a continuous cleaning system use and old toothbrush. Cut the handle short and heat it to bend to the right shape at 90 degrees. Drill holes through the shortened handle to bolt the brush in place inside your saw on the bottom wheel of the saw.

Fine-tune the Blade!

Round the rear edges of your band saw blades with a medium-grit oils stone. You’ll find that relieving these edges will allow you to cut tighter curves and will make backing out of cuts much easier. Hold the stone flat on the saw table and gently touch it to the back of the blade as the it is running.

Resawing Secrets

Almost all problems that occur with resawing after you have tuned up your saw is due to the wrong blade being used. A dull blade is nothing but trouble! You should use the widest blade that your saw can handle. Select a blade with three or four teeth per inch and a 5 to 10 degree hook. The hook tooth design is an aggressive blade that has deeper gullets for better sawdust removal and it also reduces the feed pressure that you have to make. You will find that most ¾” blades are .025 in thickness which is too heavy for a 14” bandsaw, so use a ½” blade.

If you are very fortunate your band saw will track perfectly and resawing will be great experience, but if are like 99% of us it will not. The fence is the first thing that needs modification. The fence needs to be as high as the piece being sawn. If the fence is too low, when feeding the board through the saw the bottom of the board will tend to move away from the fence. The face of the fence MUST be 90-degrees to the table. Even if the fence is out of square by only a ½-degree, the finished boards resawn from a wide board will have a taper.

You may have to adjust the fence for lead or drift. Setting the fence at the right drift angle is critical to resawing. Start by cutting on a piece of scrap. Stop the about half the length of the board and trace the angle of the board onto the bandsaw table with a pencil line. Clamp the board to the table and set up the fence along the joined edge of the board. Now the fence is parallel to the cut, and the blade will have no drift. Be sure to join both edges and one face. Run the joined face against the fence.

When you re-saw keep both hands on the piece. Put our right hand on the end grain, pushing the board through the saw. Keep the left hand low and spread your fingers to press the piece against the fence across a wide area. Slow constant feed pressure is the key to success. If you stop sawing for a moment, the blade will bite a bit deeper.

Highland Hardware, one of our Vendors that sell our plans, has just introduced their Wood Slicer Bandsaw Blades. They are .022 in thickness, ½” wide carbon-manganese spring steel and fit every saw from 72” to 156”, plus custom lengths.

With thanks to Brian Murphy
American Furniture Design Co

In June I shall be visiting Highland Hardware in Atlanta Georgia, and shall be bringing home a couple or two of their woodslicer blades.

John. B
 
I've had a TS200 for about a year and used the supplied blade until it started to "struggle". To be fair it was mainly used for ripping OSB and shuttering ply while I was building a utilty room and workshop which probably did nothing for the longevity of its useful working life. I replaced it with a Freud which is the DB's.

On the subject of setting it up I did 2 main things.

Bolt a length of something substantial to the fence to make it longer, had some scary moments initially with the short supplied fence - I used 18 mm mdf.

Bin the flimsy pressed steel side table and replace with something more substantial. My saw is now "built in" so the side table has become part of the bench top.

The other thing to look out for is that when changing the blade, take the insert plate off carefully so as not to diplace the spacers underneath. when its off take the spacers off, keeping them in there original stacks. I didn't do this and knocked the little stacks of spacers in to the waiting pile of sawdust under the saw - right pita finding them and then getting them placed correctly so that the insert plate was flush with the table.

Bandsaw..............................gonna be in the same boat as you very soon and will be getting Steves DVDs.

Vinny
 
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