Kidsafe friction polish?

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Hi folks
My daughter has asked me to make a few bits and bobs for our grandaughter. I use Chestnut friction polish a lot and wondered if this is safe for kids toys and such like?. I read somewhere it must conform to DN51 (or was it HN51?). Anyone advise please.
Cheers
Steve
 
HI

The regulations on childs toys are EN71, the only finish I have found that conforms to that is Chestnuts Finishing oil.

john
 
What about the Food Safe Oil.
I was thinking of using this now on most my bowls,etc as people do tend to put food/fruit items in them anyway.Even though they are supposed to be decorative items :?
 
Chestnut food safe oil is refined mineral oil which is known to be food safe, it does not have the relevant standard mark on it this is because of cost.

For it to carry the relevant standard mark each batch of oil must undergo extensive and costly testing, the size of the batches that Chestnut make would make this uneconomical and if I remember what Terry said correctlly would more than double the cost of the oil to us.

If I have got this wrong I am sure Terry will be along to correct me. :)

You can get a sheen on an item using this oil but you need to put several coats on. I leave 24hrs between each coat and cut it back and buff it up on the lathe before applting each coat.

What I tell customers if they ask if it is safe for food is that it has an oil finish which is known to be food safe but that I couldnt garuntee that it was 100% food safe for dry foods and that it was not suitable for liquids.

I have probably lost a customer or two over this but I would rather that than be sued because they used it for food and had some sort of reaction from it.

I have found though that people prefer a shiny finish on the bowls etc they buy.

john
 
Hi All

Friction Polish isn't tested for toy safety (the relevant test is EN-71). That's not to say that it wouldn't pass, but more importantly that we don't really think it's a suitable finish for toys etc, it isn't really hardwearing enough from an appearance point of view.
Our thinking is that if we say it is toy safe, it implies suitability.
Similarly, we don't recommend Food Safe Finish for toys,

BUT

The following products have been (independently) tested to EN-71 and are certified as being safe for use on toys and nursery furniture:

Acrylic Sanding Sealer (brushing and aerosol)
Acrylic Lacquer
Acrylic Gloss Lacquer
Acrylic Satin Lacquer
Cellulose Sanding Sealer (non-aersol, we haven't tested this yet)
Melamine Lacquer (non-aerosol, we haven't tested this yet either)
Finishing Oil
WoodWax 22 Clear
Shellac Sanding Sealer

These products should all have a symbol on them stating they are safe for toys; if it isn't there don't worry, we tested our standard formulations so provided your tin isn't donkey's years old it will still be ok.

I hope this helps!
 
thanks terry for putting this info on here.

i think we could do with terry's post being put somwhere for future refernce.
 
That info is in Terry's FAQ's on his site, but no harm in having it in the safety sticky above ??
 
cornucopia":1k3tzcjn said:
i think we could do with terry's post being put somwhere.

The rubbish bin?

This information is available on our website, on the FAQ page should you need to refer to it again.
 
Paul.J":2nesnbsl said:
What about the Food Safe Oil.
I was thinking of using this now on most my bowls,etc as people do tend to put food/fruit items in them anyway.Even though they are supposed to be decorative items :?

Liquid Parafin BP from any shop that sells stuff to horsey folks - £4 /500ml
is just the same stuff.
 
HI Terry

Thanks for the info I forgot to look at the FAQ. :oops:

Just one question, is it safe to assume that if you use one finish on top of another such as shellac sealer then the woodwax 22 the finish would still conform to EN71?

john
 
No problem John, the annoying ones are those that email us via the website to ask a question that is already answered there. I'm a bit slow answering those..

Yes, using EN-71 rated products with each other is perfectly ok.

Strangely enough we enquired about having our Spirit Stain range tested and were advised by those in the know that it wasn't necessary, as long as they are overcoated with an EN-71 product they would comply; it is the uppermost coating (which a child can come into contact with) that needs to conform.
 
This topic comes up a lot over here. Generally, all finishes are food safe after they have cured. The petrolium distilates evaporate out, and the dryers are in such small quantities that it doesn't matter. Any other resin things left over when evaporation is complete is called 'inert material'. Getting tested is a very expensive process. I use walnut oil (Mike Mahoney's) for my food bowls. It does set up/cure eventually which mineral oil won't do. As far as nut allergies, Mike's finish is pressed from nut husks, and leaves, not the nut meats. Most, if not all of the walnut oil available in the grocery stores is from the nut meats, and has been pasteurized which breaks down the protein molecules which cause the allergies. Mineral oil (a petrolium product) never sets up, or gives any surface protection. Carnubal wax is fine and gives a nice shine. Most of the time it comes in a solvent of some sort, like turpentine. Then you don't have to get it hot to apply it. Most vegetable oils work fine as well. Mostly they need to dry in an open space, and wipe off any excess. Wood needs to breathe, and doesn't like being locked away in a cupboard. This is generally responsibel for going rancid.
robo hippy
 
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