India’s successful Moon Landing

[deema]

I wonder how many realise that the term Woke is short for the wakening? The very term used by the Chinese Communist party ans it’s slogan before it succeeded in the revolution. Equally the UK SDP, or Social Democratic Party decided to use the name which is exactly the same as the party that brought Hitler to power.

It is impossible for those who create and promote these names to be ignorant and not sufficiently well read to understand the connotations of the terms. To suggest otherwise would be like promoting Hitler as a good forename with a defence they dudn5 know he was a megalomaniac who caused WW2!

 

[Jacob]

I voted for Brexit, and on reflection, that was an error. It has been a complete and unmitigated disaster. Now, I still believe that it could and should have worked,

What did you think could happen? That wasn't anything obvious to "work" - there were no explicit benefits just waiting to be exploited, it was all hot air.

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Migration is also very decisive, and is changing politics across Europe. The central / left wing governments are under increasing pressure from the right wing. We have seen Italy vote in a right wing government and Macron in France is warning about the very real ‘threat’ of the right wing winning the next election with LePenn becoming the next President.

The right use immigration to create anxiety and direct blame away from themselves. Demonise foreigners instead. Or anybody. It's been going on through history

Regardless of views, gaining access to the UK by crossing the channel without proper clearance is illegal.

No it isnt.
You don't need clearance before you come, but you have to go through the formalities when you get here, which they nearly all do willingly, generally having no choice anyway.

Those arriving in boats are illegal migrants.

No they aren't. They are just migrants, as yet unclassified.

Now, they might qualify for asylum, but most are in reality actually economic migrants and have no right to citizenship within the UK.

The figures say differently but in any case the difference between them is blurred. Generally they are escaping from dreadful circumstances and regard the risk as worth it.

The problem is that with us being a signature to various systems it is hampering dealing with the situation in a timely manner. The cost, time and paperwork involved in dealing with each application is huge, and once they have been rejected getting them back is also troublesome. There are no easy answers, but, in the absence of effective boarder controls

We have effective border controls but they are underfunded and there are massive delays - in fact a deliberate policy of hostility and harassment, with the threat of Prison Camp Rwanda in the background.

the UK populous is going to become increasing frustrated

That's the whole idea. You are being played like a fish by Farages, Johnsons, Bravermans and their ilk. Just look at this bunch of likely lads who persuaded you that brexit was a good idea! Five key Brexiteers have paid a visit to the President-Elect in Trump Tower

with what it sees an inept government, regardless of whether it is right left or centre. When the population becomes dissatisfied with its government representation and cannot see a solution, extremism breads

That's the whole idea.

and an often a strong character usual arises with very dire consequences.

Non so far. Johnson came and went like a fat fa*t in the night.
Starmer hopes to be the man but compared to Hitler he just ain't got dat ting. Though he's taken over a socialist party and changed it fundamentally, which is a spooky coincidence. Not to mention the posing in front of union jacks.
Interesting times!

 

[Jacob]

I wonder how many realise that the term Woke is short for the wakening?

Who says? It was articulated by the right against everything they didn't understand and had nothing to do with the left. Anyway your line of thought is a bit bonkers in my opinion. Conspiracies, sinister connections and clues around every corner!

 

[deema]

@Jacob, your ignorance and lack of knowledge is breathtaking, only your own sense of authority on subjects you clearly have no idea about is more surprising. Let me help you, when you enter a country it only happens after you go though border control, before it you effectively haven’t left the country you departed from, the title is a hint! So, when you land in an airplane you don’t enter the country until you pass through……..boarder control. Within the EU they have the Schengen Agreement that allows passage of EU citizens across boarders automatically without checks.

 

[Jacob]

@Jacob, your ignorance and lack of knowledge is breathtaking, only your own sense of authority on subjects you clearly have no idea about is more surprising. Let me help you, when you enter a country it only happens after you go though border control,

Aha! But you can't line up for boarder control until you have "entered" the country!

before it you effectively haven’t left the country you departed from, the title is a hint! So, when you land in an airplane you don’t enter the country until you pass through……..boarder control. Within the EU they have the Schengen Agreement that allows passage of EU citizens across boarders automatically without checks.

You are getting closer, but keep at it!
You are confused between the concepts of "entering the country" and being admitted as an asylum seeker.
Having arrived here they have literally "entered" the country, but still have to pass through the formalities of legitimate entry, whether its boat people, or holidaymakers from Lanzarote.
I can see why this could be confusing. Entering physically is one thing, entering by being allowed to stay legally is another.

 

[deema]

Aha! But you can't line up for boarder control until you have "entered" the country!

You are getting closer, but keep at it!
You are confused between the concepts of "entering the country" and being admitted as an asylum seeker.
Having arrived here they have literally "entered" the country, but still have to pass through the formalities of legitimate entry, whether its boat people, or holidaymakers from Lanzarote.
I can see why this could be confusing. Entering physically is one thing, entering by being allowed to stay legally is another.

Ignorant and just plain wrong. Clearly you have absolutely no idea or clue about yet another subject you have very strong views about. Please, take the time to read up how country boarders actually work, and not use your typical approach of ‘I think it must be so it is.’ Or, for light amusement try watching the film The Terminal.

You might also want to read up about Embassies and their legal status.

If you enter any country without formally presenting yourself to border control you are an illegal immigrant and carried out an illegal act.

 

[Jacob]

Ignorant and just plain wrong. Clearly you have absolutely no idea or clue about yet another subject you have very strong views about. Please, take the time to read up how country boarders actually work, and not use your typical approach of ‘I think it must be so it is.’ Or, for light amusement try watching the film The Terminal.

You might also want to read up about Embassies and their legal status.

If you enter any country without formally presenting yourself to border control you are an illegal immigrant and carried out an illegal act.

The boat people are formally presented etc whether they want to or not - in fact they are picked up by them before they get a chance to illegally disappear into the countryside. You might just as well argue that lifeboat crews were acting illegally by bringing them in. Didn't Farage say something along those lines himself?
You can read all about it if you want to. Irregular migration in the UK - Migration Observatory

PS this is interesting How do refugees travel to other countries? Why don't they take the plane?

 

[isaac3d2]

I have never understood how the work "Woke" was *******ised to mean anything other than "I woke this morning" American slang at its worst.

Right, it's got to be one of the dumbest misuse meanings. It was a long time before I found out that the expression came from an American (sigh... where else!) slang phrase "Stay woke" actually meaning "Stay awake" and referring to the various injustices in the world. It then somehow got to refer to the attitude/practice of people being hypersensitive and protesting about.... well pretty much anything they felt might be in the slightest bit disadvantageous to .... almost anyone. Apparently these people don't consider their own behaviour to be disadvantageous to the majority, in itself. Finger pointing is easy when you are blind!

 

[deema]

Well Jacob, you’ve stumbled on another can of worms you again to have no clue or understanding about. Irregular migration is a ‘nice’ term to group together thise who have no right to be in a country. They have no legal status, or right to work, housing, befits, schooling or free medical care. They are supposed to go home, but most don’t. They form an under class and mainly carry out criminal acts to survive ranging from working (unscrupulous employers to you and I paying for work in cash on the black economy) to all levels of crime including drugs, prostitution, theft etc etc. their activities undermine the poorer levels of society by depriving them of work opportunities, housing and blighting the areas they live in.

One of the reasons for dealing with asylum seekers in Rwanda is that if they get refused, they cannot hang about in the UK, a good policy and a fair policy.

 

[Terry - Somerset]

"Woke" according to our friends at Google is derived from Afro-American vernacular generally as "alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice". It has morphed somewhat to include awareness of social inequalities - eg: Black lives matter, LGBT etc.

It is often used by the right as a sneering and dismissive insult to those on the political left.

I am not sure how the left feel about this:

• are they proud to be "woke",
• would they deny the term is an appropriate descriptor of their beliefs,
• do they feel insulted by its dismissive use
• are they dismissive of those who use the term "woke" as an insult.

Or is "woke" simply a shorthand for a particular set of generic beliefs. Many words evolve over time - either to change their meaning entirely or become socially unacceptable.

 

[Spectric]

I voted for Brexit, and on reflection, that was an error. It has been a complete and unmitigated disaster.

But why, it is because it was so divisive and our government were all pulling in different directions and at the end of the day they had not moved or achieved anything although expending energy and wasting our money.

 

[Jake]

But why, it is because it was so divisive and our government were all pulling in different directions and at the end of the day they had not moved or achieved anything although expending energy and wasting our money.

It was daft to start with - erecting trade and other barriers with our main neighbours and partners, and fueled by irrational views of self-importance. We are now gradually finding our own place.

 

[Terry - Somerset]

ou are confused between the concepts of "entering the country" and being admitted as an asylum seeker.
Having arrived here they have literally "entered" the country, but still have to pass through the formalities of legitimate entry, whether its boat people, or holidaymakers from Lanzarote.
I can see why this could be confusing. Entering physically is one thing, entering by being allowed to stay legally is another.

Under section 24 (B1) of the Immigration Act 1971, a person who a) requires leave to enter the United Kingdom and, b) knowingly enters the UK without such leave, commits an offence

It makes no difference whether they have entered UK territory but not yet passed through immigration - it is an offence and reasonably described as "illegal".

What happens when they arrive is another matter - prosecuting asylum seekers for illegal entry is pointless if on conviction they will still be in an asylum claim queue anyway. Proper prison as a punishment would would normally be both pointless and costly.

 

[John Brown]

I'll stick.my hand up and say that I'm proud to be considered "woke". It puzzles me that it is considered an insult.

 

[John Brown]

As a matter of interest, has anyone here actually seem how asylum seekers live in "luxury hotels"? They're not allowed cutlery, eat their food from plastic cartons, and receive £8 a week allowance, which in my neck of the woods is about enough to take the bus to the closest town and back once. No, it's not exactly a concentration camp, but don't be fooled by descriptions of "luxury" or five star accommodation, it's very basic.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Good.

 

[Jacob]

I'll stick.my hand up and say that I'm proud to be considered "woke". It puzzles me that it is considered an insult.

Me too.
Meaning of a word is whatever the user if the word intends to convey by it, whatever its origins and other uses.
In this thread Deema used it first, so anyone in doubt could simply ask him what he actually meant.

 

[Adam W.]

Snip

I am not sure how the left feel about this:

• are they proud to be "woke",
• would they deny the term is an appropriate descriptor of their beliefs,
• do they feel insulted by its dismissive use
• are they dismissive of those who use the term "woke" as an insult.

/snip

Do they feel insulted by it's dismissive use?........I don't think so, most probably think it's extremely childish behaviour and pub bore talk.

 

[planesleuth]

It is time this post was renamed angry old men banging on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Delete it moderators !!!!

 

[Jacob]

It was daft to start with - erecting trade and other barriers with our main neighbours and partners, and fueled by irrational views of self-importance. We are now gradually finding our own place.

Yep. UK is very unusual in that it has instigated trade barriers and sanctions against itself.