honing compound on waterstone?

[ali27]

I have been sharpening my plane blade on
800,3000 and 8000 waterstones. The blade gets quite
sharp, but I don't think super sharp. I can still see
very, VERY fine scratches.

I read about putting some honing compound on a piece
of leather on MDF. I was wondering could I just apply some
honing compound on my 8000 waterstone or would that be
useless as the blade would be touching the grit of the 8000
stone?

Thanks in advance.

Greetings,

Ali

 

[Philly]

Ali
I really wouldn't do that - it will clog the stone. Definitely try some on a piece of MDF or a leather strop, though.
Cheers
Philly

 

[bugbear]

I have been sharpening my plane blade on
800,3000 and 8000 waterstones. The blade gets quite
sharp, but I don't think super sharp. I can still see
very, VERY fine scratches.

I read about putting some honing compound on a piece
of leather on MDF. I was wondering could I just apply some
honing compound on my 8000 waterstone or would that be
useless as the blade would be touching the grit of the 8000
stone?

Thanks in advance.

Greetings,

Ali

You can't win; either the compound is FINER than the waterstone, in which case you won't get the improvement (since the waterstone will continue to abrade) you want or the compound is COARSER than the waterstone, in which case the result will be worse than just the waterstone!

BugBear

 

[matthewwh]

Hi Ali,

I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm, but by the time you are worrying about the barely visible scratch pattern left by an 8000 grit waterstone it's probably time to stop honing and get back to the wood.

I take it you are using a nagura stone with your 8000?

 

[ali27]

Hi Ali,

I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm, but by the time you are worrying about the barely visible scratch pattern left by an 8000 grit waterstone it's probably time to stop honing and get back to the wood.

I take it you are using a nagura stone with your 8000?

You were right about the nagura stone. I hadn't been using my nagura
stone because I got worse results. I noticed my nagura stone had about the same grit as my 1000 grit waterstone.

I have an old smaller 6000 grit stone. I just sharpened my blade while using this 6000 grit stone as a nagura stone on my 8000 waterstone. It seems I am getting a better result.

I put the blade in my no4 Stanley and to my bad luck the yoke broke off :shock:

I am going to order the no6 quansheng plane and spokeshave. Do you have an extra yoke Matthew that I can buy?

Ali

 

[ali27]

I have been sharpening my plane blade on
800,3000 and 8000 waterstones. The blade gets quite
sharp, but I don't think super sharp. I can still see
very, VERY fine scratches.

I read about putting some honing compound on a piece
of leather on MDF. I was wondering could I just apply some
honing compound on my 8000 waterstone or would that be
useless as the blade would be touching the grit of the 8000
stone?

Thanks in advance.

Greetings,

Ali

You can't win; either the compound is FINER than the waterstone, in which case you won't get the improvement (since the waterstone will continue to abrade) you want or the compound is COARSER than the waterstone, in which case the result will be worse than just the waterstone!

BugBear

Yes, I was thinking the same thing, but I was also thinking maybe
the blade doesn't really touch the stone, but is staying on top of the buffing compound(which is sitting on the stone). Guess not.

Ali

 

[matthewwh]

Hi Ali,

I've got a spare designed for Record planes which I think will fit a Stanley (unless anyone knows different???)

Happy to pop it in with your order.

 

[Ironballs]

Also don't forget to treat your stones a little like you would with abrasive on wood, you're taking quite a jump from 800 to 3000 to 8000. I'd be inclined to put something in between the 800 and 3000 to smooth out the scratches.

I use an 800, 1000 and 6000 and the 1000 does enough to knock off the coarseness of the 800 before going to a polish with the 6000. That's enough to shave hairs off arms

 

[ali27]

Hi Ali,

I've got a spare designed for Record planes which I think will fit a Stanley (unless anyone knows different???)

Happy to pop it in with your order.

Hi Matthew,

Do you think the spare one you have will take on thicker blades?
I was thinking about replacing the thinner stanley blade with a thicker(quansheng blade?lol) one in the future.

Also don't forget to treat your stones a little like you would with abrasive on wood, you're taking quite a jump from 800 to 3000 to 8000. I'd be inclined to put something in between the 800 and 3000 to smooth out the scratches.

I use an 800, 1000 and 6000 and the 1000 does enough to knock off the coarseness of the 800 before going to a polish with the 6000. That's enough to shave hairs off arms

Hello Ironballs(sorry don't know your name). I read on a blog
about a person using a 800 waterstone and then going directly to
a 8000 stone. She was having very good results and the pictures on her blog showed a mirror finish on the microbevel.

I am using a 3000 to smooth the scratches from the 800. Then I go to the 8000.

I am sure now that the reason I was not getting good results on the 8000 stone is because I wasn't using a nagura stone. Well I had used a nagura stone before, but the nagura stone itself(I quess about 1000 grit) was quite coarse. I think this was the problem. Now that I am using the 6000 stone to create the slurry on the 8000 stone , the mirror finish is back on the blade.

 

[George_N]

I have the Ice Bear water stone set from Axminster. The coarse stone is 800 grit and the fine one is 6000 grit. The Nagura is only used to work up a slurry on the fine stone...it won't cut otherwise. After using the two stones I strop on a piece of MDF lightly smeared with Autosol chrome polish. I also use a Veritas Mk II honing guide. This set-up will give a mirror polish on the microbevel and is more than capable of shaving hairs off the back of my hand, whether on a plane iron or chisel. You should be able to get at least as good with the stones you have. Make sure that your stones (especially the coarse) one are really flat. A piece of float glass and a sheet of coarse wet and dry abrasive is useful for flattening the coarse stone...once you are happy that it is flat you can check your fine stone by rubbing it on the flattened face of the coarse stone. Just make sure that you wash the stones thoroughly in clean water to make sure there are no specks of coarse grit on the surface of the fine stone.

 

[ali27]

I have the Ice Bear water stone set from Axminster. The coarse stone is 800 grit and the fine one is 6000 grit. The Nagura is only used to work up a slurry on the fine stone...it won't cut otherwise. After using the two stones I strop on a piece of MDF lightly smeared with Autosol chrome polish. I also use a Veritas Mk II honing guide. This set-up will give a mirror polish on the microbevel and is more than capable of shaving hairs off the back of my hand, whether on a plane iron or chisel. You should be able to get at least as good with the stones you have. Make sure that your stones (especially the coarse) one are really flat. A piece of float glass and a sheet of coarse wet and dry abrasive is useful for flattening the coarse stone...once you are happy that it is flat you can check your fine stone by rubbing it on the flattened face of the coarse stone. Just make sure that you wash the stones thoroughly in clean water to make sure there are no specks of coarse grit on the surface of the fine stone.

Thanks for the advice.

I do flatten my stones every time on sandpaper on floatglass. The stones are flat.

I think my nagura stone was just too coarse. It did not create
a good slurry and my blade would not get smoother scratches
on the 8000 stone(after the 3000). I think the particles of the
coarse nagura stone made it impossible to get a mirror finish.

I used a 6000 waterstone, which I wasn't using anymore, to create
slurry on the 8000 stone. It did a much better job.

Ali

 

[George_N]

A proper nagura stone is much harder than the waterstones and shouldn't be shedding any particles of grit. Mine has a fine, very dense structure, similar to the fine stone...you can see it in the picture on the Axi site that I linked to in my last post...what nagura are you using?

 

[ali27]

A proper nagura stone is much harder than the waterstones and shouldn't be shedding any particles of grit. Mine has a fine, very dense structure, similar to the fine stone...you can see it in the picture on the Axi site that I linked to in my last post...what nagura are you using?

Hi George.

This is the stone I was using:

http://www.knivesandtools.com/nl/pt/-na ... ragment-11

 

[George_N]

This is similar to the one that came with my kit. It is hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks finer than the one you linked to. The Axminster website says it is equivalent to 8000 grit...so that it won't contaminate your finer stones with coarse grit particles.