Help- problems with old J SANDERS pillar drill

[gwr]

Hi all I have been lurking here for some time and found the site very useful i now have a couple of things i would like to ask

I have been given a bench size pillar drill the name on it is j sanders made 1982 but when i switch it on it just makes a buzzing noise and when i turn the chuck it starts and will drill without any probs well it would but the 3 bars are all off the handle any sugestions on how to make the handle good again and could the motor problem be brushes ?

now for dust extraction i have an industrial type vacume it is a k.e.w 550 svs-80 not had much use but cant find any spec on this as kew was taking over its a drum type with the 2 speed motor on top any advice on either will be greatly appreciated thanks

 

[big soft moose]

the motor problem sounds like a capacitor to me ( I'm no expert but thats what bob/9fingers who is, said when we were discussing similar symptoms on one of my machines)

 

[gwr]

thanks moose thats noted

 

[big soft moose]

if bob doesnt pop up in this thread soon - send him a pm

also you might get more help if you change the thread title to something more informative like " help- problems with old drill"

 

[jimi43]

I would say starter capacitor too...you can get them on fleaBay.

As Moose says...Bob is the expert here.

As far as the bars are concerned...some rod from fleaBay or B&Q...thread the end with a suitable die.

Jim

 

[9fingers]

I've just been 'MOOSED' :shock:

I'd not seen this thread to date.

Three possible faults

1) Dead capacitor
2) Dirty/burnt starter switch inside the motor. Not always fitted on all motors.
3) open circuit starter winding - least probable but not repairable economically.

Capacitors potentially cheap but need the data off the old one first

Do you have a multi-meter tester and know how to use it? I could give you some tests to try and work out if the switch is knackered.

Photos of the motor and a well focussed one of the rating plate would be good.

Cheers

Bob

 

[big soft moose]

I've just been 'MOOSED' :shock:

well, when you care enough to send the very best.... :lol:

 

[tekno.mage]

When you say the three bars are off the handle, do you still have the bars? My own pillar drill had bars that screwed into the handle and the threads on two of them were stripped so they kept falling out. Solution was to epoxy them back in place and they have worked fine ever since.

If the bars are missing, you'd need to get some bar the right diameter to replace them - and if the original threads in the handle have stripped, consider the epoxy in place solution!

 

[gwr]

sorry 9 fingers i never noticed there had been more replys to my post don't know if the pics i've posted are any use

 

[gwr]

 

[9fingers]

Is there a capacitor ( cylindrical bulge on the side of the motor) I can't see one in either of your photos.

The drill is a typical Chinese/Tiawanese import.

I suspect checking the starter switch, under the plate at the bottom of the motor might help and use a meter to see if the start winding is still intact.

Reading my motor write up may help you perhaps

Bob

PS if you set your profile up to get notifications of replies it will help

 

[gwr]

Thanks 9fingers i will read your write up

 

[OldWood]

Bob - I recently got hold of a Fobco Star. What a difference to the Chinese import I had previously. Beautiful smooth, quiet running machine, but at the expense of weighing 150lbs.

This is where my true colours as a thread pirate show ( and apologies to GWR, though the question may be a general use).

Are there suppliers of spare parts for older British machines ?

In my case for some reason the Start / Stop push buttons have gone - it would seem from the fact that the contactor switch is floating around inside the casting, just held in place by the wires, that the button housings latch into the contactor mechanically and hold it in place. The query is to a certain extent academic as my interest is in terms of restoration rather than use, as I'm using an inverter to drive the 3ph motor with a suitable On /Off and speed control panel.

Rob

 

[misterfish]

Are there suppliers of spare parts for older British machines ?

Every so often there are Ebay listings for replacement quill springs, Other than that I have only seen drills listed as being for spares.

You're spot on with what you say about Fobco drills. Mine was originally a 3 phase machine but changed long before I bought it to single phase with a Brooks Compton motor and external NVR switch. From what I've seen the original had some sort of rotary switch on the left of the body. http://www.lathes.co.uk/fobco/ I've never found a manual or parts diagram, so if anybody has a scan/copy available I'd be very interested.

Misterfish

 

[9fingers]

Rob,

According to his website, Lathes.co.uk, Tony Griffiths has the remaining stock of Fobco spares.

Quote-
FOBCO drilling machines. We now hold the remaining stock of spares for the beautifully made Fobco Star, 7/8 and 10/8 models. Most, but not all items available – though more will be produced in the future. email or phone: 01298-871633 for details

However, electrical parts would almost certainly have been bought in from other manufacturers and less likely to be still available.

When I spoke to someone a Pollards about the general source of spares for my 1950's Pollard drill, The comment was "we still have most mechanical parts but don't even ask about anything electrical"!

Good luck

Bob

 

[OldWood]

Thanks very much guys - as I said it was a low priority query based on restoration rather than use.

Apologies again for the thread highjack, which I won't keep going any further than say that my drill must be a later build as it has two holes for push buttons where the rotary switch is in the Lathes.co.uk picture, and I've tried Tony who like Bob as indicated that electrical parts just do not exist as spares.

Rob