Health, alcohol and water

[RogerS]

I'm taking part in a study into NAFLD (non-alcoholic fatty liver disease). During discussions with the Doctor I learned a couple of things that I'd not known before.

1) Your liver needs at least one day a week without any alcohol..to recover

2) 6 units in a bottle of wine was actually based on wine strength of a long, long time ago. The math is quite simple...100ml at 10% alcohol = 1 unit. So taking a 700ml bottle of typical red wine..at 12.5% gives...8.75 units...oops :lol:

So if you thought you were within your 21 units a week then maybe think again :wink:

The other tidbit off the box was the myth of the oft-quoted...'you need to drink at least 2 litres of water a day'...Apparently this statement has been taken out of context for all those years as the actual research report from which this quotation comes then goes on to say..."of which the majority is provided indirectly by what you eat and drink during the day"

 

[engineer one]

interesting roger. as usual people only quote what fits there particular agenda.

after years of telling us that tea and coffee are no good, and do not contribute to the daily fluid intake, they now say both have some value, in particular tea. then along come the danes and say that vitamins will cut your life because of the over abundance of something or other.

then we get told that one of the reasons that kids are fat is that they do not get enough vitamins and minerals from their food. no one talks about all the additives and c**p that allows it to last forever on the shelf, or during transit out of season. :roll:

seems to me that most of us old bu**ers who were born between about 1946 and 1954 are probably overall the fittest for some time since our initial diet was somewhat natural and fresh, whilst those born later had less freshness, and more fadiness which continues to this day. i mean look at that mckeith woman, all that publicity but a mickey mouse qualification from some mail order uni somewhere. but she gets tv and books out
and makes money with hocus pocus. :twisted: :roll:

sooner we get back to proper grub on a regular basis, and treats so often the healthier we all might be.

there we go a man with a heart condition, talking about being healthy :lol: :twisted:


paul :wink:

 

[Travis Byrne]

Hello Engineer one
I agree with all you have said but was surprised by this.
"makes money with hocus pocus"
I thought that the US had this market sewed up.
Travis

 

[engineer one]

no travis,
you guys use smoke and mirrors :twisted: :roll:
but i did say her degree came from a mail order uni, IN THE STATES :lol:

paul :wink:

 

[Gill]

Moving off-topic somewhat (forgive me Roger) the video "World Without Cancer" is interesting.

Gill

 

[wrightclan]

... initial diet was somewhat natural and fresh...

When I was cycle racing, I went to a training/coaching weekend where a dietician went through all the latest nutrition research, etc. But he summarised by saying, "When you go to the grocery store, stick to the outside edges of the store." Meaning to buy mainly the main ingredients you would find in the fresh fruit and veg section, dairy section, fresh meat and fish, fresh bread, etc. as these items (at least at that time ) were located at the perimeter of most supermarkets.

Brad

 

[engineer one]

good point brad, maybe they will re-arrange it to through us off track :lol:

paul :wink:

 

[DomValente]

Until two years ago I suffered with kidney stones, they really ain't much fun.
A friend in Italy asked why I wasn't drinking a particular brand of non-sparkling mineral water(Fiuggi, you can google it)
Well, unless you've had stones the pain is BAD so I found the one supplier in England and ordered twenty cases.
2 litres a day and not a stone in two years
So I'll just stick with the water thanks

 

[Losos]

Hi Dom,

Do you think that'll work for gall stones as well :?: SWMBO has just been diagnosed with gall stones ('Small' they said) and she's had some pretty bad pain from them.

So far as the weekly alcohol intake is concerned, I am pleased to say it's not a prob. :wink: mind you my liver is still recovering from when I was in my twenties and I daren't tell you how long ago that was :roll:

 

[DomValente]

Hi Losos,

Simple answer, I don't know, but I will be talking to a doctor friend who is in Italy on Monday and will let you know.
Their publicity says:

Fiuggi (Fiuggi)

Fiuggi water is a natural, oligomineral water that pervades tufaceous (calcareous and siliceous rock deposits) hollows beneath the spas of Fiuggi. Exotic stuff. The scientific effect is a filtering action that purifies and reduces mineralization in the water, while creating a potent diuretic chemistry. Fiuggi is prescribed in Italy for expulsion of kidney stones, and supposedly inhibits their formation; it is also indicated during preparation urinary calculosis procedures and post-op treatment. In all, there's little question that Fiuggi is beneficial for the kidneys and urinary tract, and it is also effective against uric acid in general, which is the basis of gout and uratic arthropathies. Fiuggi was the official water of JUBILEE 2000, and it is rumored to be the choice at the Vatican. Little gas (CO2) 0.008 g/l
Acidity (PH) 6.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) 122 mg/l
Calcium (Ca++) 15.9 mg/l
Magnesium (Mg++) 6.3 mg/l
Sodium (Na+) 6.4 mg/l
Potassium (K+) 4.4 mg/l
Bicarbonate (HCO3-) 81.7 mg/l
Chloride (Cl-) 13.9 mg/l
Sulphate (SO4--) 6 mg/l
Nitrate (NO3-) 7 mg/l
Silica (SiO2) 12.8 mg/l

Ithink one of the key words is "oligiominerale " and there are a few waters with that term in them

Dom

 

[kafkaian]

Thanks for this on a Friday night of all nights

:shock:

 

[Glynne]

seems to me that most of us old bu**ers who were born between about 1946 and 1954 are probably overall the fittest for some time since our initial diet was somewhat natural and fresh

Agree entirely with this but I also think that we ate a lot less which was probably a combination of a lack of money, food availability (post war rationing) and a different culture.

 

[ColeyS1]

I'm surprised why I haven't found this thread before.

Cause it's 11 years old lol !



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[Ttrees]

I have been talking about this for a looong time, as alcohol really gets me
It makes my nails rot off, skin fall off and is the cause of about 30 other disgusting conditions that I have.
I made a facebook page called achy mac flaker which describes about 80% of what I'm talking about.
Every doctor refuses to acknowledge this, I know they are aware of this information, but theirs too much back scratching going on in the medical world for profit.
"Undetectable" organisms in the blood it boils down to, just like lyme disease.
Starve these organisms basically.
Highly restrictive diet and the knowledge of fermentation (how to make booze)
No carbs/starches, dairy products, fruit what does not go off within digestion time
(only two that I'm aware of)
nothing sweet, absolutely no alcohol.
meat with stored sugars should be only used to wean off sugar like GAPS diet to avoid hypoglycaemia.
No fermented anything.
This leaves one with little to eat what does not go off.
In the FB notes
Avocados are the best thing to eat, unfortunately I don't have an enzyme to digest them
just like nuts ...
If I could just figure out that enzyme I could heal myself soo fast and prove it time and time again.

Best th
when body regulates itself

 

[Rorschach]

I have been talking about this for a looong time, as alcohol really gets me
It makes my nails rot off, skin fall off and is the cause of about 30 other disgusting conditions that I have.
I made a facebook page called achy mac flaker which describes about 80% of what I'm talking about.
Every doctor refuses to acknowledge this, I know they are aware of this information, but theirs too much back scratching going on in the medical world for profit.
"Undetectable" organisms in the blood it boils down to, just like lyme disease.
Starve these organisms basically.
Highly restrictive diet and the knowledge of fermentation (how to make booze)
No carbs/starches, dairy products, fruit what does not go off within digestion time
(only two that I'm aware of)
nothing sweet, absolutely no alcohol.
meat with stored sugars should be only used to wean off sugar like GAPS diet to avoid hypoglycaemia.
No fermented anything.
This leaves one with little to eat what does not go off.
In the FB notes
Avocados are the best thing to eat, unfortunately I don't have an enzyme to digest them
just like nuts ...
If I could just figure out that enzyme I could heal myself soo fast and prove it time and time again.

Best th
when body regulates itself

What do you eat then?

 

[Ttrees]

Things that won't ferment
Not on my treatment diet because doctors won't believe that I have psoriatic arthritis
so I have to keep this "show" up.
I think they might have finally believed me since the last time I was at the rheumatologist I have audible knee
problems now. they still won't believe me though.
I have a semi diet and a treatment diet, its in the FB page @notes.
Semi treatment is high protein diet to aid muscle mass, which includes the same dindins every day.
Near 1KG of mince, 1KG onions just about cooked, not browned!
Asparagus bundle (a fine example/base diet of anti fermentation) other foods are a compromise like... sugarsnap peas, green beans, a bit of greens, something high in chlorophyll like spinach
I have lived for a few months on nuts and avocados only, to completely eradicate near all issues FAST
I cant do this without a mysterious enzyme anymore,
might have to though, just to prove again and deal with horrible stomach issues that many doctors would think was salmonella, body produces sulphur, or something similar thats disgusting and very noxious.
Not wanting to go that route and have much slower recovery, and be on a semi-treatment diet to get real results
it would be weaning off sugars with fatty meat instead...as said, afterwards a diet of mainly lean meats, asparagus, onions cooked as said, tomato's the bland kind, a bit of greens like cabbage, hard to process in quantities
sugarsnap peas (a bit of compromise here) and as said nuts
I might have to do some tests with hazelnuts as these are the only nuts now that I haven't had this sulphur reaction to
This reaction is heredity regardless what diet I'm on.
some spices in the mix like cayenne pepper, garlic in small quantities as cannot digest it.
turmeric and other base spices, that dont have any additives.
If its overpowering to one in larger doses it will contribute to killing off organisms in the blood...
these organisms for lack of a better word needs to be starved.
A lot more in my FB notes page

 

[sunnybob]

How much water to drink is a subject that winds me up. I am sick of all the "6 /8 /glasses /pints" nonsense. How can a 6 stone person be asked to drink the same amount as a 20 stone person? Nonsense I say!
Every person is a different metabolism and weight. NO ONE measurement will fit all.
When working here during 40 degree weather, i was on 2 litres of water during a 7 hour working day, and the same again at home. In the winter, about the same as a normal UK consumption day.

Its extremely easy to self regulate your water intake purely by glancing into the toilet bowl once a day (as long as your mrs doesnt do blue flushes of course, if so then you might need to fill a beaker).
You should pee very pale yellow, and ideally clear, and assuming a normal bladder function, up to 5 times a day.
If you go all day without doing the business, dont be proud, because youre dehydrated. No arguments.
The darker yellow it is, the more in need of water (rather than alcohol) you are. If it goes to brown and smells, you are in serious kidney and liver failure territory.

There is a colour chart on this subject, in every military base toilets block in hot countries, possibly all countries. I did have a photo of the chart but cant find it at the moment.

 

[Rorschach]

How much water to drink is a subject that winds me up. I am sick of all the "6 /8 /glasses /pints" nonsense. How can a 6 stone person be asked to drink the same amount as a 20 stone person? Nonsense I say!
Every person is a different metabolism and weight. NO ONE measurement will fit all.
When working here during 40 degree weather, i was on 2 litres of water during a 7 hour working day, and the same again at home. In the winter, about the same as a normal UK consumption day.

Its extremely easy to self regulate your water intake purely by glancing into the toilet bowl once a day (as long as your mrs doesnt do blue flushes of course, if so then you might need to fill a beaker).
You should pee very pale yellow, and ideally clear, and assuming a normal bladder function, up to 5 times a day.
If you go all day without doing the business, dont be proud, because youre dehydrated. No arguments.
The darker yellow it is, the more in need of water (rather than alcohol) you are. If it goes to brown and smells, you are in serious kidney and liver failure territory.

There is a colour chart on this subject, in every military base toilets block in hot countries, possibly all countries. I did have a photo of the chart but cant find it at the moment.

I share your frustration. It also doesn't take into account the large quantity of water you get from the food you eat as well, eat a salad for lunch, that's a plate of crunchy water.
People also don't realise you can drink too much water as well as not enough.

 

[sunnybob]

Thats why the pee test works.
Its a direct test of YOUR body, to hell with all the scare mongers and "professionals"

I have a relative who hates drinking water, and instead drinks red wine. I told his wife about this test. She said it was almost brown and smelt bad. he has now reduced his wine intake (not sure if he has increased the water though).

 

[dzj]

I enjoy 2-3 units of alcohol every evening. If it's unhealthy, so be it.
I also don't need scientists to tell me to drink water, or come in out of the rain.