Have a look at this Jacob!

[mark w]

This honing guide is one of those items someone may purchase and then upon receipt of it say, now I`d better buy a drawknife. they are well engineered state of the art tools, a complete contrast to the item they are meant to sharpen.
The lights for the Jap saws are even worse.

 

[Corneel]

This thread keeps on amazing me. What happened to our jig loving friends? It's only $84, you know.

 

[bugbear]

This thread keeps on amazing me. What happened to our jig loving friends? It's only $84, you know.

Not all jigs are created equal...

BugBear

 

[Scouse]

A most inconsiderate, even irresponsible thread.

Accepting the trap of commercialism into which the unwary or inexperienced woodworker may fall, the associated de-skilling of using a guide and the back to basics approach which comes with hand sharpening (even rounded bevels have gained complimentary comments), there really is only one victim here.

In reviewing the above thread, by extension the implication is that Jacob has been right all along, effectively rendering any future sharpening threads irrelevant, and muting this poor soul. Is this the true meaning behind the insidious vitriol present here? Accomodation into silence? Appeasement? I say NO! EMBRACE THE HONING GUIDE!

SAVE JACOB

 

[Corneel]

Aye!

 

[Jacob]

Not only is it unnecessary, it risks spoiling the whole back to basics appeal of using a drawknife!
!

Absolutely. And (just to really stir the hornets' nest) if there is one tool on which I actually like a slightly rounded bevel, it is the drawknife ... (runs for cover :lol: )

:lol:
More to the point - for most purposes it makes no difference rounded/flat/multi-bevelled as long as the edges are the same (usually 30º) - so can you think of a circumstance where a rounded bevel is a disadvantage? I can't!

 

[bugbear]

- so can you think of a circumstance where a rounded bevel is a disadvantage? I can't!

They have been extensively cited, so I won't bother repeating them here. The fact that you don't accept the objections does not invalidate them.

BugBear

 

[Jacob]

Please remind us.
I know they have been raised but I can't recall anything interesting. Not that I'm bothered - if flat is necessary then so be it. I'm quite happy to be proved wrong as a rounded bevel certainly works perfectly well most of the time.

PS come to think I've asked this question many times but have never received a convincing answer

 

[AndyT]

I think it's time to leave this thread alone and think of a new topic.

 

[RossJarvis]

I think it's time to leave this thread alone and think of a new topic.

Very sorry to ignore such sensible advice, but I've obviously missed something here. What is a rounded bevel? Is that from the side on view, or the cutting edge, from above?

 

[Carl P]

Just to put this back on track....

Does anyone know of a honing guide with lights, plays radio 4 and brews a really nice Assam tea, if only I could get one, all my 'technical issues' would be solved!


Cheerio,

Carl

 

[Corneel]

Looking from the side you'll see a rounded bevel. As opposed to the concave grind for example.

On my drawknife I even have a small rounded bevel on the "flat side". That's how I learned to use the drawknife, bevel up and using that little roundness on the bottom to steer the knife in and out of the wood.

 

[Richard T]

When viewed from the side Ross. Straight edge.

When ever the subject is raised, it causes conflict between those who prefer to open their hard boiled eggs at the little end with hollow bevels and those open them at the big end with convex bevels.

This pointless war has been going on for years and until a giant comes along to steal both side's navy, there is no end in sight.

When sharpening my drawknife I tend to hold the stone from above. That way my hand is in the place where the blade isn't.

 

[RossJarvis]

Thanks guys, I've got it now.

 

[bugbear]

This pointless war has been going on for years and until a giant comes along to steal both side's navy, there is no end in sight.

:lol: :lol: :lol: =D> =D> =D>



BugBear

 

[Cottonwood]

LOL just imagine if the "sharpening is difficult" mentality was applied to bike riding...thered be gangs of middle aged men in tight lycra suits all riding on the pavement, with little kiddie stabilisers on their bikes, "because its too difficult to ride a bike safely without them......"

 

[chipmunk]

Sorry if I'm hijacking this thread but it is related to the jig in question...

What are the general opinions about the idea of grinding/sharpening parallel with the cutting edge as this over-engineered masterpiece does?

It seems intuitively wrong to me, although I can see that for very fine abrasives and for polishing it should in theory work ok and in fact for my Hamlet Big Brother, it's the recommended way to go.

[Incidentally the inventor obviously wasn't a fan of Thomas Edison - "An Engineer is a man who can do for a dime what any fool can do for a dollar" :wink: ]

Jon

 

[bugbear]

LOL just imagine if the "sharpening is difficult" mentality was applied to bike riding...thered be gangs of middle aged men in tight lycra suits all riding on the pavement, with little kiddie stabilisers on their bikes, "because its too difficult to ride a bike safely without them......"

It's all a mater of the right amount of stability and control; not too little, not too much.

BugBear

 

[Cottonwood]

When sharpening my drawknife I tend to hold the stone from above. That way my hand is in the place where the blade isn't.

I have the stone inset into a wooden box, it sits across the bench snugly inside the tool well, so it wont move. To do a draw knife I hold the handles-with the edge facing away from me (not towards me as it would be in normal use). I hone either side of the blade, takes less than 1 minute, quick strop on leather and jap waterstone paste, ready to go. Since either hand is busy gripping the knife there is little risk of injury. In fact "holding the draw knife like a violin" as in Mr Galbert's advert is more chancy imho....just saying,

 

[Corneel]

LOL just imagine if the "sharpening is difficult" mentality was applied to bike riding...thered be gangs of middle aged men in tight lycra suits all riding on the pavement, with little kiddie stabilisers on their bikes, "because its too difficult to ride a bike safely without them......"

It's all a mater of the right amount of stability and control; not too little, not too much.

BugBear

My daughter learned herself to ride one of these when she was 8.

I couldn't be bothered though, pretty happy with two wheels.